Agenda and draft minutes

Finance Committee (Hybrid) - Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09.30

Venue: Committee Room 3 - Senedd. View directions

Contact: Owain Roberts

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Transcript: Transcript for 24/04/2024 - Finance Committee

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Expected timing	No.	Item
(09.00-09.30)		Private pre-meeting / Registration
(09.30)	1.	Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest View the background to item 1. Minutes: 1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting of the Finance Committee. 1.2 Apologies were received from Rhianon Passmore MS for items 4-6 and 10.
(09.30)	2.	Paper(s) to note View the background to item 2. Minutes of the meetings held on 22 February, 29 February, 6 March and 13 March. Supporting documents: Minutes, 13/03/2024 Finance Committee , item 2. PDF 50 KB View as HTML (2./1) 23 KB Minutes, 06/03/2024 Finance Committee , item 2. PDF 46 KB View as HTML (2./2) 20 KB Minutes, 29/02/2024 Finance Committee , item 2. PDF 63 KB View as HTML (2./3) 22 KB Minutes, 22/02/2024 Finance Committee , item 2. PDF 48 KB View as HTML (2./4) 21 KB Minutes: 2.1 The papers were noted.
	2.1	PTN 1 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Local Government: Additional information following the evidence session on the second supplementary budget 2023-24 - 18 March 2024 View the background to item 2.1 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 1 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Local Government: Additional information following the evidence session on the second supplementary budget 2023-24 - 18 March 2024 , item 2.1 PDF 178 KB
	2.2	PTN 2 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Local Government: Finance: Interministerial Standing Committee Meeting - 19 March 2024 View the background to item 2.2 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 2 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Local Government: Finance: Interministerial Standing Committee Meeting - 19 March 2024 , item 2.2 PDF 179 KB
	2.3	PTN 3 - Letter from the Senedd Commission: Further information on recommendations made in the Finance Committee's report on the Scrutiny of the Commission's Draft Budget 2024-25 - 19 March 2024 View the background to item 2.3 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 3 - Letter from the Senedd Commission: Further information on recommendations made in the Finance Committee's report on the Scrutiny of the Commission's Draft Budget 2024-25 - 19 March 2024 , item 2.3 PDF 443 KB
	2.4	PTN 4 - Letter from the Senedd Commission: Response to recommendations made in the Committee's report on the Financial Implications of the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill - 20 March 2024 View the background to item 2.4 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 4 - Letter from the Senedd Commission: Response to recommendations made in the Committee's report on the Financial Implications of the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill - 20 March 2024 , item 2.4 PDF 287 KB
	2.5	PTN 5 - Letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee to the Minister for Climate Change: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memoranda on the Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill - 19 Mar 2024 View the background to item 2.5 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 5 - Letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee to the Minister for Climate Change: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memoranda on the Leasehold and Freehold Reform Bill - 19 Mar 2024 , item 2.5 PDF 172 KB
	2.6	PTN 6 - Letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Renters (Reform) Bill - 19 March 2024 View the background to item 2.6 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 6 - Letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Renters (Reform) Bill - 19 March 2024 , item 2.6 PDF 132 KB
	2.7	PTN 7 - Letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Housing, Local Government and Planning: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Renters (Reform) Bill - 8 April 2024 View the background to item 2.7 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 7 - Letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Housing, Local Government and Planning: Welsh Government’s Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Renters (Reform) Bill - 8 April 2024 , item 2.7 PDF 188 KB
	2.8	PTN 8 - Joint letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee, and the Finance Committee: Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify Act) 2022: Section 6 (Review of operation and effect of this Act) - 19 March 2024 View the background to item 2.8 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 8 - Joint letter from the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee, and the Finance Committee: Welsh Tax Acts etc. (Power to Modify Act) 2022: Section 6 (Review of operation and effect of this Act) - 19 March 2024 , item 2.8 PDF 151 KB
	2.9	PTN 9 - Letter from Philip Rycroft: Additional information on Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations - 11 April 2024 View the background to item 2.9 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 9 - Letter from Philip Rycroft: Additional information on Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations - 11 April 2024 , item 2.9 PDF 281 KB View as HTML (2.9/1) 23 KB
	2.10	PTN 10 - Welsh Government response to the Finance Committee's report recommendations on the Financial implications of the Local Government Finance (Wales) Bill - 11 April 2024 View the background to item 2.10 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 10 - Welsh Government response to the Finance Committee's report recommendations on the Financial implications of the Local Government Finance (Wales) Bill - 11 April 2024 , item 2.10 PDF 224 KB
	2.11	PTN 11 - Response from the Member in Charge to the Finance Committee's report recommendations on the Financial implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill - 15 April 2024 View the background to item 2.11 Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 PTN 11 - Response from the Member in Charge to the Finance Committee's report recommendations on the Financial implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill - 15 April 2024 , item 2.11 PDF 341 KB
(09.30-10.30)	3.	Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations: Evidence session 2 View the background to item 3. Gareth Davies, Comptroller and Auditor General, National Audit Office Lee Summerfield, Director of Investigations, National Audit Office Supporting documents: Investigation into devolved funding (2019) – National Audit Office report Senedd Research Brief Supporting documents: Restricted enclosure 31 View the reasons why document 3./1 is restricted Minutes: 3.1 The Committee took evidence on its inquiry into Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations from Gareth Davies, Comptroller and Auditor General, National Audit Office; and Lee Summerfield, Director of Investigations, National Audit Office. 3.2 The National Audit Office agreed to provide a note on the following: · Details regarding the deficits faced by Health Boards in England that were written off by HM Treasury.
(10.30-10.45)		Break
(10.45-11.15)	4.	Financial implications of the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill: Evidence session View the background to item 4. Jane Hutt MS, Chief Whip & Trefnydd, Welsh Government Will Whiteley, Deputy Director, Senedd Reform Division Supporting documents: The Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill Explanatory Memorandum FIN(6)-09-24 P1 - Letter from the Llywydd to the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee - 15 March 2024 FIN(6)-09-24 P2 - Letter from the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee to the Independent Remuneration Board of the Senedd - 22 March 2024 FIN(6)-09-24 P3 - Letter from the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee to the Llywydd - 22 March 2024 FIN(6)-09-24 P4 - Letter from the Llywydd – 16 April 2024 FIN(6)-09-24 P5 - Letter from the Llywydd to the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee – 15 April 2024 Senedd Research Brief Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 P1 - Letter from the Llywydd to the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee - 15 March 2024 , item 4. PDF 429 KB FIN(6)-09-24 P2 - Letter from the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee to the Independent Remuneration Board of the Senedd - 22 March 2024 , item 4. PDF 237 KB FIN(6)-09-24 P3 - Letter from the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee to the Llywydd - 22 March 2024 , item 4. PDF 141 KB FIN(6)-09-24 P4 - Letter from the Llywydd – 16 April 2024 , item 4. PDF 289 KB FIN(6)-09-24 P5 - Letter from the Llywydd to the Chair of the Reform Bill Committee – 15 April 2024 , item 4. PDF 259 KB Restricted enclosure 38 View the reasons why document 4./6 is restricted Minutes: 4.1 The Committee took evidence on the Financial implications of the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill from Jane Hutt MS, Trefnydd and Chief Whip, Welsh Government; and Will Whiteley, Deputy Director, Senedd Reform Division, Welsh Government.
(11.15)	5.	Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting View the background to item 5. Minutes: 5.1 The motion was agreed.
(11.15-11.25)	6.	Financial implications of the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill: Consideration of evidence View the background to item 6. Minutes: 6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.
(11.25-11.30)	7.	Fiscal Intergovernmental Relations: Consideration of evidence View the background to item 7. Minutes: 7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.
(11.30-12.00)	8.	Wales Audit Office Board Membership View the background to item 8. Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 P6 – Cover paper FIN(6)-09-24 P7 – Letter to the First Minister FIN(6)-09-24 P8 – Letter to the Auditor General for Wales FIN(6)-09-24 P9 – Letter to the Chair of the Wales Audit Office FIN(6)-09-24 P10 – Legal Services note Supporting documents: Restricted enclosure 40 View the reasons why document 8./1 is restricted Restricted enclosure 41 View the reasons why document 8./2 is restricted Restricted enclosure 42 View the reasons why document 8./3 is restricted Restricted enclosure 43 View the reasons why document 8./4 is restricted Restricted enclosure 44 View the reasons why document 8./5 is restricted Minutes: 8.1 The Committee considered the supporting documents relating to this item.
(12.00-12.15)	9.	Motion to instruct the Finance Committee relating to the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales View the background to item 9. Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 P11 – Cover paper FIN(6)-09-24 P12 – Letter from the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales – 15 April 2024 Supporting documents: Restricted enclosure 46 View the reasons why document 9./1 is restricted FIN(6)-09-24 P12 – Letter from the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales – 15 April 2024 , item 9. PDF 165 KB Minutes: 9.1 The Committee considered the cover paper and noted the motion.
(12.15-12.30)	10.	Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26: Approach to engagement View the background to item 10. Supporting documents: FIN(6)-09-24 P13 – Approach to engagement Supporting documents: Restricted enclosure 49 View the reasons why document 10./1 is restricted Minutes: 10.1 The Committee considered the paper on its approach to engagement relating to the scrutiny of the Draft Budget 2025-26.

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