Agenda and minutes

Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Hybrid) - Wednesday, 11 October 2023 09.30

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Contact: Marc Wyn Jones

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Transcript: Transcript for 11/10/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee

Items

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest

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Minutes:

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

1.2 In accordance with Standing Order 17.24A, Huw Irranca-Davies MS made a declaration of relevant interest.

(09.30-12.30)

The Environment (Air Quality and Soundscapes) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

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Lee Waters MS, Deputy Minister for Climate Change

Rhian Williams, Bill Manager - Welsh Government

Olwen Spiller, Deputy Head of Environmental Protection - Welsh Government

Helen Rowley, Lawyer - Welsh Government

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings will be available on the Bill page.

The Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee agreed on 20 September 2023, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be:

Sections 1-18; Schedule 1; Sections 19-20; Schedule 2; Sections 21-28; Long Title

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 19 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed.

Amendment 66 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders


Amendment 66 was not agreed.

Amendment 67 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders


Amendment 67 was not agreed.

Amendment 1 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 20 was not agreed.

As amendment 20 was not agreed, amendments 21, 23, 24, 25, 30, 32, 35, 36, 37 and 38 fell.

Amendment 68 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 68 was not agreed.

Amendment 69 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders


Amendment 69 was not agreed.

Amendment 22 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd

Amendment 22 was not agreed.

Amendment 85 (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 26 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

Amendment 27 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

Amendment 28 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 28 was not agreed.

Amendment 29 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 29 was not agreed.

Amendment 2 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 31 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 31 was not agreed.

As amendment 20 was not agreed, amendment 32 fell.

Amendment 33 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 33 was not agreed.

Amendment 34 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 34 was not agreed.

Amendment 86 (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 70 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders


Amendment 70 was not agreed.

Amendment 71 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders


Amendment 71 was not agreed.

Amendment 39 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 39 was not agreed.

Amendment 3A (Jenny Rathbone MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 3 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 4 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 4 was agreed.

Amendment 40 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 72 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 72 was not agreed.

Amendment 73 (Delyth Jewell MS) was not moved.

Amendment 18 (Lee Waters MS) was not moved.

Amendment 41 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.

Amendment 5 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 5 was agreed.

Amendment 42 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 42 was not agreed.

Amendment 74 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 74 was not agreed.

Amendment 75 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders

Amendment 75 was not agreed.

Amendment 43 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies	Delyth Jewell
	Jenny Rathbone	Llyr Gruffydd
	Joyce Watson


Amendment 43 was not agreed.

Amendment 44 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 44 was not agreed.

Amendment 76 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders

Amendment 76 was not agreed.

Amendment 45 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 45 was not agreed.

Amendment 46 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 46 was not agreed.

Amendment 47 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed.

Amendment 77 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders

Amendment 77 was not agreed.

Amendment 6 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 7 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 8 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 9 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i), amendments 48 and 60 fell.

Amendment 78 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 78 was not agreed.

Amendment 59 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.

Amendment 14 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 14 was agreed.

Amendment 15 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 16 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 17 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 17 was agreed.

Amendment 49 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 49 was not agreed.

Amendment 79 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders

Amendment 79 was not agreed.

Amendment 62 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 62 was not agreed.

Amendment 61 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 61 was not agreed.

Amendment 82 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Delyth Jewell	Huw Irranca-Davies
Llyr Gruffydd	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Janet Finch-Saunders

Amendment 82 was not agreed.

As amendment 82 was not agreed, amendment 83 and 84 fell.

Amendment 50 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 50 was not agreed.

Amendment 51 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 51 was not agreed.

As amendment 51 was not agreed, amendment 57 fell.

Amendment 80 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 80 was not agreed.

Amendment 52 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies	Delyth Jewell
	Jenny Rathbone	Llyr Gruffydd
	Joyce Watson


Amendment 52 was not agreed.

Amendment 53 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 53 was not agreed.

As amendment 53 was not agreed, amendment 58 fell.

Amendment 54 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
	Jenny Rathbone
	Joyce Watson
	Delyth Jewell
	Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 54 was not agreed.

Amendment 55 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 56 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 10 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 10 was agreed.

Amendment 63 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was not moved.

Amendment 64 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was not moved.

Amendment 11 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 12 (Lee Waters MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Lee Waters MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Huw Irranca-Davies	Janet Finch-Saunders
Jenny Rathbone
Joyce Watson
Delyth Jewell
Llyr Gruffydd
Amendment 13 was agreed.

Amendment 81 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Janet Finch-Saunders	Huw Irranca-Davies
Delyth Jewell	Jenny Rathbone
Llyr Gruffydd	Joyce Watson


As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 81 was not agreed.