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Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Hybrid) - Wednesday, 9 November 2022 09.30

Venue: Committee Room 4 - Tŷ Hywel. View directions

Contact: Marc Wyn Jones 

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Transcript: Transcript for 09/11/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee

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(09.15)

1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

1.2 Due to unforeseen circumstances, apologies were received from Huw Irranca-Davies MS for the first part of the meeting.  Hefin David MS substituted from 09.30 to 10.30, and Mike Hedges MS substituted from 10.30 to 11.05. Huw Irranca-Davies MS joined at 11.05 for the remainder of the meeting.

(09.15-12.15)

2.

The Environmental Protection (Single-use Plastic Products) (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

Julie James MS – Minister for Climate Change

Nick Howard, Senior Government Lawyer – Welsh Government

Richard Clark, Head of Local Environment Quality and Regulation Welsh Government

Hefin Gill, Government Lawyer – Welsh Government

 

 

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings will be available on the Bill page.

 

The Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee agreed on 20 October 2022, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be:

 

Section 1; Section 2; Schedule 1; Sections 3-23; Long Title

 

Marshalled List of Amendments

 

Grouping of Amendments

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Amendment 25 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Hefin David

 

Delyth Jewell

Jenny Rathbone

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 25 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 61 was inadmissible in accordance to standing order 26.61(iv).

 

Amendment 62 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Hefin David

 

Delyth Jewell

Jenny Rathbone

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 62 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 26 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Hefin David

 

Delyth Jewell

Jenny Rathbone

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

 

 Amendment 1 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 2 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 27 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Hefin David

 

Delyth Jewell

Jenny Rathbone

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 63 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Janet Finch-Saunders

Hefin David

 

Delyth Jewell

Jenny Rathbone

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 63 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 3 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 4 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 5 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 6 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 18 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 19 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 20 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 21 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 22 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

 

 

Amendment 81 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Delyth Jewell

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Hefin David

 

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Amendment 81 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 82 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Hefin David

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 82 was agreed.

 

Amendment 83 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Hefin David

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 83 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 54 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 54 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 55 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 55 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 84 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 84 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 23 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 56 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 56 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 57 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 57 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 85 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 85 was agreed.

 

Amendment 58 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 58 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 59 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 59 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 60 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 60 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 24 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 86 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 86 was agreed.

 

Amendment 28 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 28 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 28 was not agreed, amendment 46 fell.

 

Amendment 7 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 29 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 29 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 30 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 30 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 31 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

 

Mike Hedges

 

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

 

Joyce Watson

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 31 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 64 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

 

Mike Hedges

 

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

 

Joyce Watson

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 64 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 32 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 33 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 33 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 34 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Mike Hedges

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 34 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 34 was not agreed, amendment 47 fell.

 

Amendment 35 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was withdrawn.

 

As amendment 35 was withdrawn, amendment 48 fell.

 

Amendment 36 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 36 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 36 was not agreed, amendment 49 fell.

 

Amendment 37 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 37 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 37 was not agreed, amendment 50 fell.

 

Amendment 65 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 65 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 65 was not agreed, amendment 79 fell.

 

Amendment 66 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 66 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 66 was not agreed, amendment 80 fell.

 

Amendment 8 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 9 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 10 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 11 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 12 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 38 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 38 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 13 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 14 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 39 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 39 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 15 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 16 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 67 (Delyth Jewell MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 67 was not agreed.

 

 

 As amendment 67 was not agreed, amendments 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77 and 78 fell.

 

Amendment 40 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 40 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 40 was not agreed, amendment 51 fell.

 

Amendment 41 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Amendment 41 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 42 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.

 

Amendment 43 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS) was not moved.

 

Amendment 17 (Julie James MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 44 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 44 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 45 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 45 was not agreed.

 

As amendment 45 was not agreed, amendment 52 fell.

 

Amendment 53 (Janet Finch-Saunders MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Jenny Rathbone

 

Joyce Watson

 

 Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Delyth Jewell

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 53 was not agreed.

 

 

(12.15)

3.

Papers to note

Minutes:

3.1 The papers were noted.

3.1

The Environmental Protection (Single-use Plastic Products) (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

3.2

Draft Strategy for Public Engagement & Action on Climate Change (2022-2026)

Supporting documents:

3.3

UK Energy Prices Bill

Supporting documents:

3.4

Legislative Consent Memorandum for the Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill

Supporting documents:

3.5

Legislative Consent Memorandum for the Levelling Up and Regeneration Bill

Supporting documents:

3.6

Decarbonisation of the public sector

Supporting documents:

3.7

The Climate Change (Targeted Greenhouse Gases) Order 2022

Supporting documents:

3.8

The Phytosanitary Conditions (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2022

Supporting documents:

3.9

The Biocidal Products (Health and Safety) (Amendment) Regulations 2022

Supporting documents:

3.10

The Welsh Government's purchase of Gilestone Farm

Supporting documents:

(12.15)

4.

Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (vi) and (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of today's meeting

Minutes:

4.1 The motion was agreed.

5.

Consideration of the Legislative Consent Memorandum for the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 Members considered the Legislative Consent Memorandum for the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill.

 

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