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This meeting was held in a virtual format, with Members
joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Health and Social Services The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at 13.30 The first 8 questions were asked. Question 2 was
answered by the Deputy Minister for Health and Social Services. The Presiding
Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after question
2. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Mental Health, Wellbeing and Welsh Language The
Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Minutes: The
item started at 14.30 The
first 6 questions were asked. Question 6 was answered by the Deputy Minister
for Culture, Sport and Tourism. The Presiding Officer invited party
spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(5 mins) |
The Senedd Cymru (Representation of the People) (Amendment) Order 2021 NDM7681
Rebecca Evans (Gower) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Senedd Cymru (Representation of the People) (Amendment) Order 2021 laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. Supporting
Documents Report of the Legislation,
Justice and Constitution Committee Minutes: The item
started at 15.21 NDM7681 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Senedd Cymru (Representation of the People) (Amendment)
Order 2021 laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(0 mins) |
The Welsh Elections (Miscellaneous Provisions) Order 2021 - Withdrawn |
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(15 mins) |
The Public Health (Protection from Eviction) (No. 2) (Wales) (Coronavirus) Regulations 2021 NDM7678
Rebecca Evans
(Gower) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1.
Approves
The Public Health (Protection from Eviction) (No. 2) (Wales) (Coronavirus)
Regulations 2021 laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. Supporting
Documents Report of the Legislation,
Justice and Constitution Committee Minutes: The item
started at 15.25 NDM7678 Rebecca Evans (Gower) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 27.5: 1. Approves The Public Health (Protection from Eviction) (No. 2) (Wales)
(Coronavirus) Regulations 2021 laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Topical Questions No Topical Questions were accepted Minutes: No Topical Questions were accepted. |
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(5 mins) |
Motion to amend Standing Orders: Consolidation Bills NDM7668
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Consolidation Bills’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to introduce a new Standing Order 26C, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.30 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7668 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Consolidation Bills’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to introduce a new Standing Order 26C, as set
out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(5 mins) |
Motion to amend Standing Orders: Departure from the European Union NDM7669
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Departure from the European Union’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 21, 26, 26A, 26B, 27 and 30C,
as set out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.38 NDM7669 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Departure from the European Union’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 21, 26, 26A, 26B, 27
and 30C, as set out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Early Business Following a Senedd Election NDM7670
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Early Business Following a Senedd Election’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 6, 7, 8 and 17, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.42 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7670 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Early Business Following a Senedd Election’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 6, 7, 8 and 17, as
set out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Sub Judice NDM7671
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders: Sub
Judice’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 13.15 and 17.28, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.48 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7671 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Sub Judice’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 13.15 and 17.28, as
set out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(5 mins) |
Motion to amend Standing Orders: Recall of the Senedd NDM7672
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business
Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders: Recall of the Senedd’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to introduce a new Standing Order 12.3A, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.52 NDM7672 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the
Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders: Recall of the Senedd’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to introduce a new Standing Order 12.3A, as
set out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Membership of Committees NDM7673
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Membership of Committees’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Order 17, as set out in Annex A of the
Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.54 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7673 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Membership of Committees’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Order 17, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Miscellaneous Changes NDM7674
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Miscellaneous Changes’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 1, 11 and 20, as set out in
Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 15.56 NDM7674 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Miscellaneous Changes’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 1, 11 and 20, as set
out in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Temporary Standing Orders NDM7675
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Temporary Standing Orders’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 12 and 34, as set out in Annex
A of the Business Committee’s report. 3.
Notes the Business Committee’s recommendation regarding the use of remote
electronic voting under Standing Order 34.14A, following the Senedd election,
including for the purposes of electing the Presiding Officer and Deputy. Minutes: The item
started at 16.01 NDM7675 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Temporary Standing Orders’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Orders 12 and 34, as set out
in Annex A of the Business Committee’s report. 3. Notes the Business Committee’s recommendation regarding the use of
remote electronic voting under Standing Order 34.14A, following the Senedd
election, including for the purposes of electing the Presiding Officer and
Deputy. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion to amend Standing Orders: Definition of Political Groups NDM7676
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1.
Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders:
Definition of Political Groups’, laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2.
Approves the proposals to amend Standing Order 1, as set out in Annex A of the
Business Committee’s report. Minutes: The item
started at 16.05 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7676 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2: 1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing
Orders: Definition of Political Groups’, laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. 2. Approves the proposals to amend Standing Order 1, as set out in Annex
A of the Business Committee’s report. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(15 mins) |
Debate on the Standards of Conduct Committee Report—Report 05-21 NDM7679
Jayne Bryant
(Newport West) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Considers the Report of the Standards of Conduct Committee - Report 05-21 laid
before the Senedd on 17 March 2021 in accordance with Standing Order 22.9. 2.
Endorses the recommendation in the report. Minutes: The item
started at 16.23 NDM7679 Jayne Bryant (Newport West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Considers the Report of the Standards of Conduct Committee - Report
05-21 laid before the Senedd on 17 March 2021 in accordance
with Standing Order 22.9. 2. Endorses the recommendation in the report. The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion to Approve the Code of Conduct for Members of the Senedd NDM7680
Jayne Bryant
(Newport West) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes the report of the Standards of Conduct Committee: The Review of the Code
of Conduct dated 17 March 2021 (“the report”). 2.
Adopts the Code of Conduct for Members of the Senedd laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021, to come into force at the commencement of
the sixth Senedd. 3.
Notes the accompanying guidance to the Code of Conduct set out in annex A to
the report. Standards
of Conduct Committee: The Review of the Code of Conduct for Members of the
Senedd Minutes: The item
started at 16.27 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7680 Jayne Bryant (Newport West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes the report of the Standards of Conduct Committee: The Review of
the Code of Conduct dated 17 March 2021 (“the report”). 2. Adopts the Code of Conduct for Members of the Senedd laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021, to come into
force at the commencement of the sixth Senedd. 3. Notes the accompanying guidance to the Code of Conduct set out in
annex A to the report. Standards of
Conduct Committee: The Review of the Code of Conduct for Members of the Senedd The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
Debate on the Finance Committee report: Inquiry into the implementation of the Wales Act 2014 and operation of the Fiscal Framework NDM7682
Llyr Gruffydd
(North Wales) To
propose that the Senedd: Notes
the report of the Finance Committee on the implementation of the Wales Act 2014
and operation of the Fiscal Framework, which was laid
in the Table Office on 1 February 2021. Note:
The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid
in the Table Office on 16 March 2021. Senedd
Commission response to the Committee’s report HMRC
response to the Committee’s report Letter
from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Finance Committee Minutes: The item
started at 16.31 NDM7682 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales) To propose that the Senedd: Notes the report of the Finance Committee on the implementation of the
Wales Act 2014 and operation of the Fiscal Framework, which was laid in the Table Office on 1 February 2021. Note: The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 16 March 2021. Senedd Commission
response to the Committee’s report HMRC response to
the Committee’s report Letter from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the
Finance Committee The motion was agreed in accordance
with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(30 mins) |
Debate on the Public Accounts Committee report: Delivering for future generations: the story so far NDM7667
Nick Ramsay
(Monmouth) To
propose that the Senedd: Notes
the report of the Public Accounts Committee, 'Delivering for Future
Generations: The story so far', which was laid
in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. Minutes: The item
started at 17.13 NDM7667 Nick Ramsay (Monmouth) To propose that the Senedd: Notes the report of the Public Accounts Committee, 'Delivering for
Future Generations: The story so far', which was laid in the Table Office on 17 March 2021. The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36 |
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(30 mins) |
Debate on the Culture, Welsh Language and Communications Report: Exploring the devolution of broadcasting: how can Wales get the media it needs? NDM7666
Bethan Sayed
(South Wales West) To
propose that the Senedd: Notes
the report of the Culture, Welsh Language and Communications Committee,
‘Exploring the devolution of broadcasting: how can Wales get the media it
needs?’, laid
in the Table Office on 11 March 2021. Minutes: The item
started at 17.37 Voting on the motion under this item
was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7666 Bethan Sayed (South Wales West) To propose that the Senedd: Notes the report of the Culture, Welsh Language and Communications
Committee, ‘Exploring the devolution of broadcasting: how can Wales get the
media it needs?’, laid in the Table Office on 11 March 2021. The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(30 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives Debate - The Future of Wales NDM7683
Mark Isherwood
(North Wales) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Regrets that successive Labour-led Welsh Governments have failed to improve the
life chances of the people of Wales. 2.
Recognises the admission of the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport that
“We don’t know what we’re doing on the economy”. 3.
Notes that the Minister for Health and Social Services said that it would be
“foolish” to have a plan for backlogs before the pandemic is over. 4.
Further notes that the former First Minister also admitted that Labour had
taken “its eye off the ball” on education. 5.
Acknowledges that to rebuild Wales, we need a change of direction and a new
government on the 6 May 2021, that will deliver a recovery plan for Wales,
which includes: a)
creating 65,000 new jobs, with at least 15,000 green jobs; b)
tackling the backlog of waiting times in Wales; c)
ending the underfunding of our young people; d)
building the infrastructure Wales needs including the M4 relief road plus
upgrades to the A40 and A55; e)
supporting people with the cost of living by freezing council tax for two
years; f)
putting Wales onto the path to net zero by 2050. BBC
News - Theresa May claims Welsh Labour betrayed generation of children - 18 May
2018 BBC
News - Labour minister: 'We don't know what we're doing on economy' - 25 June
2019 BBC News
- Covid: Cancer delays 'could cause 2,000 deaths in Wales' - 9 November 2020 The
following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1 Rebecca Evans (Gower)
Delete
all and replace with: To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Recognises that in the face of unprecedented challenges of austerity, Brexit,
climate change and Covid-19, the Welsh Government has: a)
Established the Development Bank of Wales, secured more than 100,000 all-age
apprenticeships and provided unrivalled business rates relief including over
£580m in permanent relief for small businesses; b)
Introduced the New Treatment Fund, making newly-approved treatments available
in the NHS in an average of 13 days; c)
Improved PISA results in all three domains and developed a radical new
curriculum for our schools; d)
Declared a climate change emergency and set Wales’s first legally binding
target to achieve net zero emissions; e)
Built 20,000 new homes and strengthened the rights of renters. 2.
Notes the full achievements are set out in the Welsh Government’s Annual
Report. Programme for Government Annual
Report Amendment
2 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add
as new points at end of motion: Believes
that Wales will only fully recover by electing a new government that will let
the people of Wales, not Westminster, decide on our future. Believes
that Wales needs a change of direction through allowing the people of Wales to
have their say on whether Wales should become an independent country by holding
an independence referendum during the next Senedd term. Amendment
3 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add
as new point at end of motion: Believes
that, in order to rebuild Wales, the next Senedd should have powers over
matters currently reserved to Westminster, including policing and justice,
rail, welfare, broadcasting, energy projects, and the Crown Estate. Minutes: The item started at 18.07 Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred
until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM7683 Mark Isherwood (North Wales) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Regrets that successive Labour-led Welsh Governments have failed to
improve the life chances of the people of Wales. 2. Recognises the admission of the Deputy Minister for Economy and
Transport that “We don’t know what we’re doing on the economy”. 3. Notes that the Minister for Health and Social Services said that it
would be “foolish” to have a plan for backlogs before the pandemic is over. 4. Further notes that the former First Minister also admitted that
Labour had taken “its eye off the ball” on education. 5. Acknowledges that to rebuild Wales, we need a change of direction and
a new government on the 6 May 2021, that will deliver a recovery plan for
Wales, which includes: a) creating 65,000 new jobs, with at least 15,000 green jobs; b) tackling the backlog of waiting times in Wales; c) ending the underfunding of our young people; d) building the infrastructure Wales needs including the M4 relief road
plus upgrades to the A40 and A55; e) supporting people with the cost of living by freezing council tax for
two years; f) putting Wales onto the path to net zero by 2050. BBC News -
Theresa May claims Welsh Labour betrayed generation of children - 18 May 2018 BBC News - Labour
minister: 'We don't know what we're doing on economy' - 25 June 2019 BBC News - Covid: Cancer delays 'could cause
2,000 deaths in Wales' - 9 November 2020
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Rebecca Evans (Gower) Delete all and replace with: 1. Recognises that in the face of unprecedented
challenges of austerity, Brexit, climate change and Covid-19, the Welsh
Government has: a) Established the Development Bank of Wales,
secured more than 100,000 all-age apprenticeships and provided unrivalled
business rates relief including over £580m in permanent relief for small
businesses; b) Introduced the New Treatment Fund, making
newly-approved treatments available in the NHS in an average of 13 days; c) Improved PISA results in all three domains and
developed a radical new curriculum for our schools; d) Declared a climate change emergency and set
Wales’s first legally binding target to achieve net zero emissions; e) Built 20,000 new homes and strengthened the
rights of renters. 2. Notes the full achievements are set out in the
Welsh Government’s Annual Report. Programme for Government Annual Report A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. Amendment 2 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new points at end of motion: Believes that Wales will only fully recover by electing a new government
that will let the people of Wales, not Westminster, decide on our future. Believes that Wales needs a change of direction through allowing the
people of Wales to have their say on whether Wales should become an independent
country by holding an independence referendum during the next Senedd term. A vote was taken on amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was not agreed. Amendment 3 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new point at end of motion: Believes that, in order to rebuild Wales, the next Senedd should have
powers over matters currently reserved to Westminster, including policing and
justice, rail, welfare, broadcasting, energy projects, and the Crown Estate. A vote was taken on amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was not agreed. A vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7683 Mark Isherwood (North Wales) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Recognises that in the face of unprecedented challenges of austerity,
Brexit, climate change and Covid-19, the Welsh Government has: a) Established the Development Bank of Wales, secured more than
100,000 all-age apprenticeships and provided unrivalled business rates relief
including over £580m in permanent relief for small businesses; b) Introduced the New Treatment Fund, making newly-approved treatments
available in the NHS in an average of 13 days; c) Improved PISA results in all three domains and developed a radical
new curriculum for our schools; d) Declared a climate change emergency and set Wales’s first legally
binding target to achieve net zero emissions; e) Built 20,000 new homes and strengthened the rights of renters. 2. Notes the full achievements are set out in the Welsh Government’s
Annual Report. Programme for Government Annual Report
As there was an equality of votes, the Llywydd used her casting
vote to vote against the motion as amended, in accordance with Standing Order
6.20(ii). The motion as amended was not agreed. |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate Minutes: The item started at 18.44 NDM7677 Mark
Isherwood (North Wales) Children's Hospices - a lifeline fund for Wales. |
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Voting Time Minutes: In accordance with Standing Order
12.18, at 19.07 proceedings were suspended to allow a technical break before
voting time. The item started at 19.15 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Closing Statements Minutes: The item started at 19.24 |