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Transcript: Transcript for 07/06/2023 - Health and Social Care Committee

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Expected timing No. Item

(09.15)

1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1         The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting.

1.2         Apologies were received from Joyce Watson MS.

1.3         Huw Irranca-Davies MS substituted for Joyce Watson MS

(09.15)

2.

Papers to note

2.1

Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services regarding the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.2

Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services to the Finance Committee regarding the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.2 The Committee noted the letter.

2.3

Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services to the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee regarding the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.3 The Committee noted the letter.

2.4

Response from the Minister for Health and Social Services to the Committee's report on the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.4 The Committee noted the response.

2.5

Letter to UK Parliament Committees and Welsh MPs regarding the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.5 The Committee noted the letter.

2.6

Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services regarding Stage 2 Welsh Government amendment to the Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.6 The Committee noted the letter.

(09.15-11.00)

3.

Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 proceedings

The Health and Social Care Committee agreed on 10 May 2023, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be: sections 2 to 5; section 1; Long Title.

 

Attending on behalf of the Welsh Government will be:

Eluned Morgan MS, Minister for Health and Social Services

Dafydd Evans, Deputy Director, Life Sciences and Innovation, Welsh Government

Leanne Roberts, Head of Procurement Reform Policy, Health and Social Care, Welsh Government

Mari Williams, Senior Government Lawyer, Welsh Government

Lowri Lewis, Government Lawyer, Welsh Government

 

Supporting documents:

Marshalled List of Amendments

Groupings of Amendments

Health Service Procurement (Wales) Bill (as introduced)

Explanatory Memorandum

Minutes:

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 Amendment 1 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Gareth Davies

Rhun ap Iorwerth

 

Russell George

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Gareth Davies

Rhun ap Iorwerth

 

Russell George

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 2 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 14 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

 In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 14 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 11 (Eluned Morgan)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Sarah Murphy

 

Gareth Davies

Jack Sargeant

 

Russell George

Amendment 11 was agreed.

 

Amendment 3 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 3 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 4 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 4 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 5 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 5 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 6 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Gareth Davies

Rhun ap Iorwerth

 

Russell George

Huw Irranca Davies

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 6 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 7 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Gareth Davies

Rhun ap Iorwerth

 

Russell George

Huw Irranca Davies

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 7 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 8 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 8 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 15 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 15 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 16 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 16 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 17 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 17 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 18 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 18 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 19 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 20 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 20 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 21 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 21 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 22 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 22 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 23 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Gareth Davies

 

 

Russell George

 

 

Huw Irranca Davies

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 23 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 24 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 24 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

 

Amendment 9 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Gareth Davies

Rhun ap Iorwerth

 

Russell George

Huw Irranca Davies

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Jack Sargeant

 

Amendment 9 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 26 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 27 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 28 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 28 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 10 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 10 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 29 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 29 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 12 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 12 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 13 (Gareth Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Rhun ap Iorwerth

Huw Irranca Davies

 

Gareth Davies

Sarah Murphy

 

Russell George

Jack Sargeant

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 13 was not agreed.