Agenda and minutes

Venue: Committee Room 5 - Tŷ Hywel. View directions

Contact: Fay Bowen 

Expected timing: Hybrid 


Senedd.TV: View the webcast

Transcript: Transcript for 17/11/2021 - Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee

Expected timing No. Item



Introductions, apologies and substitutions


1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

1.2              Apologies were received from Rhianon Passmore MS.

(09.15 - 11.15)


COVID-19 and its impact on matters relating to the Public Accounts Committee’s remit: Evidence session with the Welsh Government on health issues

Judith Paget – Director General Health/NHS Chief Executive

Frank Atherton – Chief Medical Officer

Jo-Anne Daniels - Director of Health, Vulnerable Groups and NHS Governance

Steve Elliott – Director of Finance

Elin Gwynedd - Deputy Director COVID-19 Vaccinations

Albert Heaney – Chief Social Care Officer for Wales

Jonathan Irvine - Director of Procurement and Health Courier Services

Samia Saeed-Edmonds - Planning Programme Director

Andrew Sallows - Delivery Programme Director

Lisa Wise – Deputy Director, Operation Supplies (PPE)

Supporting documents:


2.1 The Committee held an evidence session with the Welsh Government on COVID-19 and its impact on health issues.

2.2 The Chair agreed to write to Judith Paget, Director General Health/NHS Chief Executive with questions not reached in the session and issues raised by Members in the private consideration of the evidence received.



Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

Items 4 & 5 of today’s meeting and Items 1 – 5 of the meeting on 1 December 2021


3.1 The motion was agreed.

(11.25 - 11.55)


Barriers to the successful Implementation of the Well-Being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015: Consideration of responses to Reports

Supporting documents:


4.1 The Committee considered and discussed the responses to all the previous Committee’s Report together with the Welsh Government responses to the Auditor General for Wales and Future Generations Commissioner Reports, which were published in May 2020.

4.2 Members also discussed the ‘accept in principle’ issue regarding Committee recommendations.

4.3 Members noted the plenary debate scheduled for 24 November on the implementation of the Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015.

(11.55 - 12.30)


COVID-19 and its impact on matters relating to the Public Accounts Committee’s remit: Consideration of the evidence received


5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.