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Transcript: Transcript for 03/02/2020 - Public Accounts Committee - Fifth Senedd

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting and especially to Delyth Jewell AM following her election to the Committee on 28 January in place of Adam Price AM.

1.2        Apologies were received from Vikki Howells AM. There was no substitute.


Paper(s) to note


2.1 The papers were noted.


My Travel Pass: Letter from the Welsh Government (16 January 2020)

Supporting documents:


Welsh Government Financial Support for Business: Letter from the Welsh Government (23 January 2020)

Supporting documents:

(13.15 - 14.30)


Ministerial Direction - NHS pension arrangements for 2019/20: Evidence Session with the Welsh Government

Research Briefing

PAC(5)-05-20 Paper 1 – Correspondence from the Permanent Secretary (20 December 2019)

PAC(5)-05-20 Paper 2 – Correspondence from the Auditor General for Wales (6 January 2020)


Shan Morgan – Permanent Secretary, Welsh Government

Dr Andrew Goodall - Director General of Health and NHS Chief Executive

David Richards - Director of Governance and Ethics

Supporting documents:


3.1 Dr Andrew Goodall declared an interest that he is an NHS member of staff, on secondment with the Welsh Government, and is in receipt of an NHS pension.

3.2 Members scrutinised the Welsh Government in relation to the Ministerial Direction issued on 18 December 2019 on NHS pension arrangements for 2019-20.



Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

Item 5


4.1 The Motion was agreed.

(14.30 - 15.00)


Ministerial Direction - NHS pension arrangements for 2019/20: Consideration of evidence received


5.1 Members considered the evidence received and agreed that the Chair should write to the Permanent Secretary at the Welsh Government with the Committee’s views on the procedure followed and any areas for improvement regarding the Ministerial Direction process.