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Transcript: Transcript for 29/11/2017 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Energy, Planning and Rural Affairs The
Presiding Officer will call Party Spokespeople to ask questions without notice
to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at
13.30 Questions 1–5 and
7-8 were asked. Questions 2, 3, and 4 were answered by the Minister for
Environment. Question 6 was not asked. The Presiding Officer invited party
spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet Secretary after question 2. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Local Government and Public Services The
Presiding Officer will call Party Spokespeople to ask questions without notice
to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2. Minutes: The item started at
14.17 The first 7
questions were asked. Questions 6 and 7 were grouped together for answer. The
Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet
Secretary and the Minister for Housing and Regeneration after question 2. |
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(20 mins) |
Topical Questions To ask the Cabinet
Secretary for Economy and Transport Russell George
(Montgomeryshire):
Given the announced 23 per cent overspend on the project to dual the A465
between Abergavenny and Hirwaun, will the Cabinet Secretary confirm where the
additional resource to fund this will come from? Rhun ap Iorwerth
(Ynys Môn):
Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on the impact of the recent floods
on Anglesey's road network? To ask the Cabinet
Secretary for Health and Social Services Darren Millar
(Clwyd West):
What consideration has the Cabinet Secretary given to commissioning an
independent inquiry into allegations of abuse on Caldey Island? To ask the First Minister Leanne Wood
(Rhondda):
Will the First Minister make a statement on the implications for Wales of the
UK Government's Brexit Impact Assessments following their release on Tuesday? Minutes: The item started at
15.10 To
ask the Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Transport Russell George (Montgomeryshire):
Given the announced 23 per cent overspend on the project to dual the A465
between Abergavenny and Hirwaun, will the Cabinet Secretary confirm where the
additional resource to fund this will come from? Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn):
Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on the impact of the recent floods
on Anglesey's road network? To
ask the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services (answered by the Minister
for Children and Social Care) Darren Millar (Clwyd West):
What consideration has the Cabinet Secretary given to commissioning an
independent inquiry into allegations of abuse on Caldey Island? To
ask the First Minister (answered by the Cabinet Secretary for Finance) Leanne Wood (Rhondda): Will the First
Minister make a statement on the implications for Wales of the UK Government's
Brexit Impact Assessments following their release on Tuesday? |
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(5 mins) |
90 Second Statements Minutes: There were no 90-second statements. |
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(60 mins) |
Motion under Standing Order 17.2 to give instructions to the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister NDM6573
Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order
17.2, instructs the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister in these
terms: 1.
That a special meeting of the Committee should take place at the earliest
opportunity to establish an inquiry into the allegations made by former members
and advisers to the Welsh Government in relation to bullying, intimidation and
the undermining of Ministers. 2.
That the Committee should establish the following as part of its inquiry: a)
when allegations were made to the First Minister and/or his office; b)
how allegations were investigated; c)
what actions were taken as a result of any investigation; d)
the role of the First Minister and his office in dealing with these issues; and e)
the validity of the answers given by the First Minister to the National
Assembly for Wales in relation to such allegations. 3.
That the Committee should take evidence from witnesses as part of its work. 4.
That the Committee should prepare a report of its findings to the Assembly by
February half-term 2018. Supporters: The following amendment
has been tabled: Amendment 1. Julie
James (Swansea West) Delete
all and replace with: To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order
17.2, instructs the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister to note: 1.
The Welsh Government’s commitment to appoint a panel of independent advisers to
provide a source of external independent advice on Ministerial conduct as
required under the Ministerial Code as set out in a written statement issued on
23 November 2017; 2.
That James Hamilton, a current independent adviser to the Scottish Government,
has been appointed as an independent adviser to the Welsh Government; and 3.
That the First Minister has referred himself to James Hamilton in relation to
allegations, made in the last two weeks, that he breached the Ministerial Code;
and 4.
The final report of the independent adviser when published. Minutes: The item started at
15.41 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6573
Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order
17.2, instructs the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister in these
terms: 1.
That a special meeting of the Committee should take place at the earliest
opportunity to establish an inquiry into the allegations made by former members
and advisers to the Welsh Government in relation to bullying, intimidation and
the undermining of Ministers. 2.
That the Committee should establish the following as part of its inquiry: a)
when allegations were made to the First Minister and/or his office; b)
how allegations were investigated; c)
what actions were taken as a result of any investigation; d)
the role of the First Minister and his office in dealing with these issues; and e)
the validity of the answers given by the First Minister to the National
Assembly for Wales in relation to such allegations. 3.
That the Committee should take evidence from witnesses as part of its work. 4.
That the Committee should prepare a report of its findings to the Assembly by
February half-term 2018.
The
motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendment was tabled: Amendment 1. Julie James (Swansea West) Delete all and
replace with: To propose that the
National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 17.2, instructs
the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister to note: 1. The Welsh
Government’s commitment to appoint a panel of independent advisers to provide a
source of external independent advice on Ministerial conduct as required under
the Ministerial Code as set out in a written statement issued on 23 November
2017; 2. That James
Hamilton, a current independent adviser to the Scottish Government, has been
appointed as an independent adviser to the Welsh Government; and 3. That the First
Minister has referred himself to James Hamilton in relation to allegations,
made in the last two weeks, that he breached the Ministerial Code; and 4. The final report
of the independent adviser when published. A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
Amendment
1 was agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6573
Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order
17.2, instructs the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister to note: 1.
The Welsh Government’s commitment to appoint a panel of independent advisers to
provide a source of external independent advice on Ministerial conduct as
required under the Ministerial Code as set out in a written statement issued on
23 November 2017; 2.
That James Hamilton, a current independent adviser to the Scottish Government,
has been appointed as an independent adviser to the Welsh Government; and 3.
That the First Minister has referred himself to James Hamilton in relation to
allegations, made in the last two weeks, that he breached the Ministerial Code;
and 4.
The final report of the independent adviser when published.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv) NDM6521 Mike
Hedges (Swansea East) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Recognises that cavity-wall insulation when correctly installed
in suitable properties can be a cost-effective way of reducing fuel bills,
thereby contributing to reductions in fuel poverty and carbon emissions. 2.
Believes that there remains, however, a significant minority of installations
in unsuitable properties that are not complying with standards of good
workmanship, and for which seeking redress is often difficult and compensation
often inadequate or not possible to obtain. 3.
Urges the Welsh Government to work with the UK Government, the Cavity
Insulation Guarantee Agency (CIGA) and others to provide proper redress and
compensation for incorrect installation, and to strengthen consumer protection
going forward. Supported by: Minutes: The item started at 16.43 NDM6521 Mike Hedges (Swansea East) To propose that the
National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises that
cavity-wall insulation when correctly installed in suitable properties can
be a cost-effective way of reducing fuel bills, thereby contributing to
reductions in fuel poverty and carbon emissions. 2. Believes that
there remains, however, a significant minority of installations in unsuitable
properties that are not complying with standards of good workmanship, and
for which seeking redress is often difficult and compensation often inadequate
or not possible to obtain. 3. Urges the Welsh
Government to work with the UK Government, the Cavity Insulation Guarantee
Agency (CIGA) and others to provide proper redress and compensation for
incorrect installation, and to strengthen consumer protection going forward. The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives debate NDM6594
Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Welcomes the crucial role Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board frontline
staff play in delivering services and supporting patients across north Wales. 2.
Notes the Welsh Government’s decision to place Betsi Cadwaladr University
Health Board in special measures in June 2015. 3.
Believes that the Welsh Government has failed to address increasing waiting
times in north Wales and the health board’s deteriorating financial position. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to: a)
clarify what steps it is taking to ensure that the financial uncertainty at
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board does not undermine the delivery of
services; b)
publish a clear action plan for returning the health board to its normal
status; and c)
explain the measures the health board will undertake to improve patient
outcomes. The following amendments
have been tabled: Amendment 1. Julie
James (Swansea West) Delete
points 3 and 4 and replace with: Notes
the Welsh Government’s continued challenge to Betsi Cadwaladr University Health
Board to address its unacceptable waiting times and financial situation. Notes
the significant support provided by the Welsh Government to Betsi Cadwaladr
University Health Board to work to stabilise and recover its position. Notes
that following a review of progress with HIW and the WAO in early December the
Welsh Government will consider further measures Betsi Cadwaladr University
Health Board must undertake to improve. Amendment
2. Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) Add
as new point at end of motion: Believes
that resolving the issues faced by Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Board will
require a substantial expansion in the workforce, which will require an
expansion of medical and nursing training. Minutes: The item started at
17.33 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6594
Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Welcomes the crucial role Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board frontline staff
play in delivering services and supporting patients across north Wales. 2.
Notes the Welsh Government’s decision to place Betsi Cadwaladr University
Health Board in special measures in June 2015. 3.
Believes that the Welsh Government has failed to address increasing waiting
times in north Wales and the health board’s deteriorating financial position. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to: a)
clarify what steps it is taking to ensure that the financial uncertainty at
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board does not undermine the delivery of
services; b)
publish a clear action plan for returning the health board to its normal
status; and c)
explain the measures the health board will undertake to improve patient
outcomes.
The
motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1. Julie James (Swansea West) Delete points 3 and
4 and replace with: Notes the Welsh
Government’s continued challenge to Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board to
address its unacceptable waiting times and financial situation. Notes the
significant support provided by the Welsh Government to Betsi Cadwaladr
University Health Board to work to stabilise and recover its position. Notes that
following a review of progress with HIW and the WAO in early December the Welsh
Government will consider further measures Betsi Cadwaladr University Health
Board must undertake to improve. A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
Amendment
1 was agreed. Amendment 2. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) Add as new point at
end of motion: Believes that
resolving the issues faced by Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Board will
require a substantial expansion in the workforce, which will require an
expansion of medical and nursing training. A vote was taken on
amendment 2:
Amendment
2 was agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6594
Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Welcomes the crucial role Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board frontline
staff play in delivering services and supporting patients across north Wales. 2.
Notes the Welsh Government’s decision to place Betsi Cadwaladr University
Health Board in special measures in June 2015. 3.
Notes the Welsh Government’s continued challenge to Betsi Cadwaladr University
Health Board to address its unacceptable waiting times and financial situation. 4.
Notes the significant support provided by the Welsh Government to Betsi
Cadwaladr University Health Board to work to stabilise and recover its
position. 5.
Notes that following a review of progress with HIW and the WAO in early
December the Welsh Government will consider further measures Betsi Cadwaladr
University Health Board must undertake to improve. 6.
Believes that resolving the issues faced by Betsi Cadwaldr University Health
Board will require a substantial expansion in the workforce, which will require
an expansion of medical and nursing training.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
Plaid Cymru debate NDM6595
Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Notes that the recent UK Government budget announcement: a)
did not contain specific new announcements for Wales; and b)
included downward revisions for economic growth, productivity and business
investment. 2.
Believes that the anticipated changes to the Welsh block grant reflect a
continuation of failed austerity measures instead of new resources. 3.
Regrets that the UK Government budget announcement did not commit any support
to the Swansea Bay Tidal Lagoon. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to take steps to lift the public sector pay cap. 5.
Urges the Welsh Government to secure greater decision-making powers over
infrastructure investment and the Welsh economy. The following amendments
have been tabled: Amendment
1. Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) Delete
all and replace with: To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Notes the £1.2 billion increase in the Welsh budget over four years as a result
of Barnett consequentials resulting from the UK budget. 2.
Notes the £67 million increase in the Welsh budget as a result of the fiscal
framework negotiated between the Welsh and UK Governments. 3.
Notes the commitment in the UK budget to commence formal negotiations for
a north Wales growth deal. [If amendment 1 is agreed,
amendment 2 will be de-selected] Amendment
2. Julie
James (Swansea West) Delete
all after point 3 and add new points: Calls
on the UK Government to lift its self-imposed public sector pay cap and fully
fund a pay rise for all public sector workers. Calls
on the UK Government to devolve greater decision-making powers over
infrastructure investment to Wales to support the Welsh economy. Minutes: The item started at
18.30 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6595
Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Notes that the recent UK Government budget announcement: a)
did not contain specific new announcements for Wales; and b)
included downward revisions for economic growth, productivity and business
investment. 2.
Believes that the anticipated changes to the Welsh block grant reflect a
continuation of failed austerity measures instead of new resources. 3.
Regrets that the UK Government budget announcement did not commit any support
to the Swansea Bay Tidal Lagoon. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to take steps to lift the public sector pay cap. 5.
Urges the Welsh Government to secure greater decision-making powers over
infrastructure investment and the Welsh economy.
The
motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1. Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) Delete all and
replace with: To propose that the
National Assembly for Wales: 1. Notes the £1.2
billion increase in the Welsh budget over four years as a result of Barnett
consequentials resulting from the UK budget. 2. Notes the £67
million increase in the Welsh budget as a result of the fiscal framework
negotiated between the Welsh and UK Governments. 3. Notes the
commitment in the UK budget to commence formal negotiations for a north
Wales growth deal. A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
Amendment
1 was not agreed. Amendment 2. Julie James (Swansea West) Delete all after
point 3 and add new points: Calls on the UK
Government to lift its self-imposed public sector pay cap and fully fund a pay
rise for all public sector workers. Calls on the UK
Government to devolve greater decision-making powers over infrastructure
investment to Wales to support the Welsh economy. A vote was taken on
amendment 2:
Amendment
2 was agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6595
Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1.
Notes that the recent UK Government budget announcement: a)
did not contain specific new announcements for Wales; and b)
included downward revisions for economic growth, productivity and business
investment. 2.
Believes that the anticipated changes to the Welsh block grant reflect a
continuation of failed austerity measures instead of new resources. 3.
Regrets that the UK Government budget announcement did not commit any support
to the Swansea Bay Tidal Lagoon. 4.
Calls on the UK Government to lift its self-imposed public sector pay cap and
fully fund a pay rise for all public sector workers. 5.
Calls on the UK Government to devolve greater decision-making powers over
infrastructure investment to Wales to support the Welsh economy.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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Point of Order The item started at
19.37 Hefin David raised a point of order under
Standing Order 13.9 (iv) and (v) about comments made by Andrew RT Davies during
Item 5 about another Member having ‘taken the shilling’. The Llywydd stated
that it was clear to her that the remark was made and that questioning the
integrity of fellow Members in such a way is not acceptable. Andrew RT Davies
stated that he had nothing to add to the clarification he had given earlier.
The Llywydd stated that she would deal with the matter outside the Chamber, and
may return to it if necessary. |
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Voting Time Minutes: The item started at
19.39 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate NDM6593
Jayne
Bryant (Newport West) Wales’s
invisible problem - the social impact of gambling Minutes: The item started at
19.43 NDM6593 Jayne Bryant (Newport West) Wales’s invisible
problem - the social impact of gambling |