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Local Government and Housing Committee (Hybrid) - Thursday, 16 May 2024 09.30

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Transcript: Transcript for 16/05/2024 - Local Government and Housing Committee

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions, and declarations of interest

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Minutes:

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting of the Local Government and Housing Committee.

1.2 Apologies were received from Luke Fletcher MS. Adam Price MS attended as a substitute for Luke Fletcher MS.

1.3 Apologies were received from Altaf Hussain MS. Peter Fox MS attended as a substitute for Altaf Hussain MS.

1.4 The Chair welcomed Sarah Murphy MS to the Committee, and thanked Jack Sargeant MS for his contributions to the Committee.

1.5 The Chair noted that, in accordance with Standing Order 17.49, Joel James MS would attend the meeting to speak to the amendment he had tabled.

(09.30 - 12.30)

Elections and Elected Bodies (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings

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Mick Antoniw MS, Counsel General

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings will be available on the Bill page

The Local Government and Housing Committee agreed on 18 April 2024, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be:

Sections 1 to 59, Schedule 1, sections 60 to 71, and the long title.

Marshalled List of Amendments

Groupings of Amendments

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 115 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 115 was not agreed.

Amendment 116 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 116 was not agreed.

Amendment 98 (Adam Price MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 1 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 11 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 12 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 14 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 15 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 99 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 99 was not agreed.

Amendment 2 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 2 was not agreed.

Amendment 3 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 3 was not agreed.

Amendment 16 (Mick Antoniw MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
John Griffiths		Adam Price
Lee Waters
Sarah Murphy
Peter Fox
James Evans
Amendment 16 was agreed.

Amendment 100 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 100 was not agreed.

Amendment 7 (Adam Price MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 101 (Peter Fox MS) was not moved.

Amendment 17 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 18 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 117 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 8 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 102 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 102 was not agreed.

Amendment 103 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 103 was not agreed.

Amendment 104 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 104 was not agreed.

Amendment 19 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Mick Antoniw MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
John Griffiths	Adam Price
Lee Waters
Sarah Murphy
Peter Fox
James Evans
Amendment 20 was agreed.

Amendment 105 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 105 was not agreed.

Amendment 106 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 106 was not agreed.

Amendment 21 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 22 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 23 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 9 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 99 was not agreed.

Amendment 107 (Adam Price MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 108 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 108 was not agreed.

Amendment 109 (Peter Fox MS) was not moved.

Amendment 49 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
John Griffiths	Peter Fox
Lee Waters	James Evans
Sarah Murphy
Adam Price

Amendment 49 was agreed.

Amendment 50 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Peter Fox
	James Evans
Amendment 50 was not agreed.

Amendment 51 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
John Griffiths	Peter Fox
Lee Waters	James Evans
Sarah Murphy
Adam Price

Amendment 51 was agreed.

Amendment 118 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 118 was not agreed.

Amendment 119 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 119 was not agreed.

Amendment 120 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 24 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 52 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 52 was not agreed.

Amendment 53 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 53 was not agreed.

Amendment 110 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price

Amendment 110 was not agreed.

Amendment 25 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 121 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 121 was not agreed.

Amendment 26 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 27 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 28 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 29 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 30 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 31 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 32 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 4 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Peter Fox
	James Evans
Amendment 4 was not agreed.

Amendment 5 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Peter Fox
	James Evans
Amendment 5 was not agreed.

Amendment 111 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
Adam Price	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 111 was not agreed.

Amendment 33 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 34 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 35 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 36 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 122 (Adam Price MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 37 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 38 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 39 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

(13.15 - 15.00)

Elections and Elected Bodies (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Proceedings continued

View the background to item 3.

Mick Antoniw MS, Counsel General

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings will be available on the Bill page

The Local Government and Housing Committee agreed on 18 April 2024, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be:

Sections 1 to 59, Schedule 1, sections 60 to 71, and the long title.

Marshalled List of Amendments

Groupings of Amendments

Minutes:

Amendment 123 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Peter Fox
	James Evans
Amendment 123 was not agreed.

Amendment 40 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendments 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 and 76 (Adam Price MS) were disposed of en bloc.

In Favour	Against	Abstain	Total
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy
As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendments 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75 and 76 were not agreed.

Amendment 77 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 77 was not agreed.

The Chair proposed that amendments 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87 and 88 (Adam Price MS) be disposed of en bloc. The amendments were not moved.

Amendment 89 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 89 was not agreed.

Amendment 90 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 90 was not agreed.

Amendment 91 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 91 was not agreed.

Amendment 92 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 92 was not agreed.

Amendment 93 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 46 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 47 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 48 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 96 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 97 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendments 6 (Adam Price MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 112 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price
Amendment 112 was not agreed.

Amendment 113 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price
Amendment 113 was not agreed.

Amendment 10 (Joel James MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 114 (Peter Fox MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths
James Evans	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy
	Adam Price
Amendment 114 was not agreed.

Amendment 125 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Peter Fox	John Griffiths	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy
Adam Price

Amendment 125 was agreed.

Amendment 126 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths	Peter Fox
	Lee Waters	James Evans
	Sarah Murphy

Amendment 126 was not agreed.

Amendment 41 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 94 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 94 was not agreed.

Amendment 127 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 127 was not agreed.

Amendment 128 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths	Lee Waters
	Sarah Murphy	Peter Fox
		James Evans

Amendment 128 was not agreed.

Amendment 42 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 95 (Adam Price MS) was not moved.

Amendment 43 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 129 (Adam Price MS)

In Favour	Against	Abstain
Adam Price	John Griffiths
Peter Fox	Lee Waters
James Evans	Sarah Murphy

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 129 was not agreed.

Amendment 44 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 45 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

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