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Transcript: Transcript for 23/03/2023 - Economy, Trade, and Rural Affairs Committee

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(09.30)

1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1 The Chair welcomed everyone to the meeting.

1.2 Samuel Kurtz MS declared he was an honorary member of the British Veterinary Association.

(09.30-13.30)

2.

Agriculture (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 Consideration

The Economy, Trade and Rural Affairs Committee agreed on 16 February 2023, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be:

 

Sections 1 to 32; Schedule 1; Section 33; Sections 35 to 41; Section 34 – Overview of Part 4; Sections 43 to 45; Section 42 – Overview of Part 5; Sections 46 to 52; Schedule 2; Schedule 3; Sections 53 to 54; Long Title

 

Attending on behalf of the Welsh Government will be:

 

Lesley Griffiths MS, Minister for Rural Affairs and North Wales, and Trefnydd

Mark Alexander, Deputy Director, Land Management Reform

Emma Davies, Bill Manager

Hannah Fernandez, Bill Policy

Dorian Brunt, Senior Lawyer

 

 

Supporting documents:

 

Marshalled List of Amendments

 

Groupings of Amendments

 

Agriculture (Wales) Bill, as introduced

 

Explanatory Memorandum

 

 

*Please note that breaks will be factored into the meeting at appropriate points by the Chair

Minutes:

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

  Amendment 57 (Luke Fletcher)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Luke Fletcher

Hefin David

 

Samuel Kurtz

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 57 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 1A (Luke Fletcher MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Luke Fletcher

Hefin David

 

Samuel Kurtz

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 1A was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 1 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Luke Fletcher

Hefin David

 

Samuel Kurtz

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 1 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 43 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 43 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 2 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 2 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 3 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Luke Fletcher

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 3 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 29  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

 

Amendment 4 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Luke Fletcher

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 4 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 5 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 5 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 58 (Luke Fletcher MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Luke Fletcher

Hefin David

 

Samuel Kurtz

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 58 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 44 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 6 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 6 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 7 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 7 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 45 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 45 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 46 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn

 

  Amendment 8 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 8 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 9 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Luke Fletcher

Vikki Howells

 

Darren Millar

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 9 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 30A (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 30A was not agreed.

 

 

Amendment 30  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

 

Amendment 10 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 10 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 11 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 11 was not agreed.

 

 

 Amendment 12 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 12 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 13 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 13 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 47 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed.

 

 Amendment 31  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

 

  Amendment 14 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn

 

  Amendment 15 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn

 

  Amendment 16 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 16 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 17 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 17 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 48 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 48 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 49 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 49 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 50 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 50 was not agreed.

 

 Amendment 51 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 51 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 52 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 52 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 53 (Joel James MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 53 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 54 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn

 

  Amendment 55 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 55 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 59 (Luke Fletcher MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Luke Fletcher

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Samuel Kurtz

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 59 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 18 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 18 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 32  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

  Amendment 19 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 33  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 34  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 20 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn.

 

Amendment 21 (Samuel Kurtz MS) was withdrawn.

 

Amendment 23 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Luke Fletcher

 

Amendment 23 was not agreed.

 

 

  Amendment 24 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Luke Fletcher

 

Amendment 24 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Luke Fletcher

 

Amendment 25 was not agreed.

 

  Amendment 22 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

 

Sarah Murphy

 

 

Luke Fletcher

 

Amendment 22 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 35  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

 Amendment 26 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 26 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 27 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 36  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

 Amendment 28 (Samuel Kurtz MS)

 

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Samuel Kurtz

Hefin David

 

Darren Millar

Vikki Howells

 

Luke Fletcher

Sarah Murphy

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 28 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 37  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 38  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 39  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 40  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 41  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 42  (Lesley Griffiths MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 56 (Luke Fletcher MS) was withdrawn.

 

(13.30)

3.

Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting and the meeting on 26 April

Minutes:

3.1 The Motion to exclude the public for the remainder of the meeting and the meeting on 26 April was agreed.

(13.30-14.30)

4.

Food (Wales) Bill: Key issues paper

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee considered the Food (Wales) Bill key issues paper.