Agenda and minutes

Venue: Y Siambr - Y Senedd. View directions

Reference: 225 

Media

Senedd.TV: View the webcast

Transcript: Transcript for 17/07/2024 - Plenary

Items
Expected timing No. Item

This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference.

(45 mins)

1.

Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Constitution and Cabinet Office

The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2.

View Questions

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The item started at 13.30

Questions 1-8, 10 and 11 were asked. Question 9 was withdrawn. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet Secretary after question 2.

 

(45 mins)

2.

Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs

The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2.

View Questions

Minutes:

The item started at 14.16

Questions 1-6 and 8 were asked. Question 7 was withdrawn. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet Secretary after question 2.

 

(20 mins)

3.

Topical Questions

To ask the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care

Mabon ap Gwynfor (Dwyfor Meirionnydd): Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on the new special measures framework at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board?

Minutes:

The item started at 15.08

Answered by the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care

Mabon ap Gwynfor (Dwyfor Meirionnydd): Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on the new special measures framework at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board?

 

(5 mins)

4.

90 Second Statements

Minutes:

The item started at 15.26

Sian Gwenllian made a statement on - 40 years of Antur Waunfawr, a social enterprise providing employment and training opportunities for people with learning disabilities.

 

(5 mins)

Motions to elect Members to committees

The proposal under Standing Orders 12.24 and 12.40 to group the following motions for debate and for voting was agreed.

The item started at 15.27

NNDM8646 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Samuel Kurtz (Welsh Conservatives) in place of Natasha Asghar (Welsh Conservatives) as a member of the Standards of Conduct Committee.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

The item started at 15.27

NNDM8647 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 17.14, elects Natasha Asghar (Welsh Conservatives) in place of Samuel Kurtz (Welsh Conservatives) as a member of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

 

(5 mins)

Motion to suspend Standing Orders

The item started at 15.28

NNDM8649 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Orders 33.6 and 33.8: 

Suspends Standing Order 12.20(i) in order to allow NNDM8648 to be considered in Plenary on Wednesday 17 July 2024.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

 

(5 mins)

5.

Motion under Standing Order 26.17(iii) in relation to the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill

NNDM8648 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26.17(iii), agrees that Stage 2 proceedings of the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill be considered by a Committee of the Whole Senedd.

Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill

Minutes:

The item started at 15.29

NNDM8648 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26.17(iii), agrees that Stage 2 proceedings of the Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill be considered by a Committee of the Whole Senedd.

Senedd Cymru (Electoral Candidate Lists) Bill

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

 

(30 mins)

6.

Statement by the Chair of the Standards of Conduct Committee - Individual Member Accountability

Minutes:

The item started at 15.29

 

(60 mins)

7.

Finance Committee Debate - Welsh Government's spending priorities for the 2025-26 budget

NDM8642 Peredur Owen Griffiths (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the engagement work undertaken by the Finance Committee regarding the Welsh Government's spending priorities for the 2025-26 budget, and further notes the representations made by participants at the following events:

a) a stakeholder event at Canolfan S4C yr Egin, Carmarthen;

b) citizen engagement focus groups; and

c) engagement events with young people.

Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26: Finance Committee Summary Engagement Report

Minutes:

The item started at 15.36

NDM8642 Peredur Owen Griffiths (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the engagement work undertaken by the Finance Committee regarding the Welsh Government's spending priorities for the 2025-26 budget, and further notes the representations made by participants at the following events:

a) a stakeholder event at Canolfan S4C yr Egin, Carmarthen;

b) citizen engagement focus groups; and

c) engagement events with young people.

Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26: Finance Committee Summary Engagement Report

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

(60 mins)

8.

Debate on the Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee Report - State of play: Public service broadcasting in Wales

NDM8641 Delyth Jewell (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the report of the Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee ‘State of play: Public Service Broadcasting in Wales’, which was laid in the Table Office on 25 March 2024.

Note: The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 19 June 2024.

Supporting documents

Response of the UK government to the report

Response of the BBC to the report

Response of ITV to the report

Response of S4C to the report

Response of Ofcom to the report

Minutes:

The item started at 16.56

NDM8641 Delyth Jewell (South Wales East)

To propose that the Senedd:

Notes the report of the Culture, Communications, Welsh Language, Sport, and International Relations Committee ‘State of play: Public Service Broadcasting in Wales’, which was laid in the Table Office on 25 March 2024.

Note: The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 19 June 2024.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

(30 mins)

9.

Welsh Conservatives Debate - Motion under Section 37(1)(b) of the Government of Wales Act 2006

NDM8643 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

In light of the personal statement made by Hannah Blythyn MS to the Senedd on 9 July 2024, and acting in accordance with Section 37(1)(b) of the Government of Wales Act 2006, requires the First Minister to produce for the purposes of the Senedd, with appropriate redactions to ensure anonymity of witnesses, all evidence he relied upon in deciding to dismiss the former Minister for Social Partnership from the Welsh Government.

Minutes:

The item started at 17.44

NDM8643 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

In light of the personal statement made by Hannah Blythyn MS to the Senedd on 9 July 2024, and acting in accordance with Section 37(1)(b) of the Government of Wales Act 2006, requires the First Minister to produce for the purposes of the Senedd, with appropriate redactions to ensure anonymity of witnesses, all evidence he relied upon in deciding to dismiss the former Minister for Social Partnership from the Welsh Government.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

(30 mins)

10.

Welsh Conservatives Debate - Farming

NDM8644 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Celebrates the valuable economic contribution of Welsh farming to the Welsh economy.

2. Acknowledges the benefits of events such as the Royal Welsh Show, the National Eisteddfod and summer shows in supporting rural communities and promoting the Welsh culture and the Welsh language.

3. Supports the strength of feeling in the agricultural community against the sustainable farming scheme, and the powerful message of no farmers no food.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) ensure a new sustainable farming scheme has the support of the farming community, with food security and environmental protection at its heart, highlighting the powerful message of no farmers no food; and

b) work with the UK Government to expand on its 87 words regarding farming in the UK Labour general election manifesto, to bring forward a plan for farming and farmers across the United Kingdom.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete points 3 and 4 and replace with:

Notes the Welsh Government’s response to the ‘Sustainable Farming Scheme: Keeping farmers farming’ consultation published on 11 July 2024.

Welcomes the collaborative approach taken by Welsh Government to continue engaging with stakeholders to finalise the Sustainable Farming Scheme, in line with the Sustainable Land Management objectives of the Agriculture (Wales) Act.

Welsh Government’s response to the ‘Sustainable Farming Scheme: Keeping farmers farming’ consultation

If amendment 1 is agreed, amendments 2 and 3 will be de-selected.

Amendment 2 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Add as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets:

a) that the rural communities of Wales have lost £243 million despite a commitment of 'not a penny less' from the previous UK government; and

b) that new trade agreements have opened the door to cheaper imports which threaten to undermine domestic producers.

Amendment 3 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Add as new sub-point at end of point 4:

secure with the UK Government a budget of over £500 million each year for agriculture which takes inflation into account, to ensure that the industry's ambitions for food, nature and climate can be achieved;

Minutes:

The item started at 18.04

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM8644 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Celebrates the valuable economic contribution of Welsh farming to the Welsh economy.

2. Acknowledges the benefits of events such as the Royal Welsh Show, the National Eisteddfod and summer shows in supporting rural communities and promoting the Welsh culture and the Welsh language.

3. Supports the strength of feeling in the agricultural community against the sustainable farming scheme, and the powerful message of no farmers no food.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) ensure a new sustainable farming scheme has the support of the farming community, with food security and environmental protection at its heart, highlighting the powerful message of no farmers no food; and

b) work with the UK Government to expand on its 87 words regarding farming in the UK Labour general election manifesto, to bring forward a plan for farming and farmers across the United Kingdom.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

16

0

38

54

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete points 3 and 4 and replace with:

Notes the Welsh Government’s response to the ‘Sustainable Farming Scheme: Keeping farmers farming’ consultation published on 11 July 2024.

Welcomes the collaborative approach taken by Welsh Government to continue engaging with stakeholders to finalise the Sustainable Farming Scheme, in line with the Sustainable Land Management objectives of the Agriculture (Wales) Act.

Welsh Government’s response to the ‘Sustainable Farming Scheme: Keeping farmers farming’ consultation

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

28

54

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

Amendment 2 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Add as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets:

a) that the rural communities of Wales have lost £243 million despite a commitment of 'not a penny less' from the previous UK government; and

b) that new trade agreements have opened the door to cheaper imports which threaten to undermine domestic producers.

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

37

0

15

52

Amendment 2 was agreed.

Amendment 3 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

Add as new sub-point at end of point 4:

secure with the UK Government a budget of over £500 million each year for agriculture which takes inflation into account, to ensure that the industry's ambitions for food, nature and climate can be achieved;

A vote was taken on amendment 3:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

27

53

As required by Standing Order 6.20 the Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment. Therefore, the amendment was not agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Celebrates the valuable economic contribution of Welsh farming to the Welsh economy.

2. Acknowledges the benefits of events such as the Royal Welsh Show, the National Eisteddfod and summer shows in supporting rural communities and promoting the Welsh culture and the Welsh language.

3. Supports the strength of feeling in the agricultural community against the sustainable farming scheme, and the powerful message of no farmers no food.

4. Regrets:

a) that the rural communities of Wales have lost £243 million despite a commitment of 'not a penny less' from the previous UK government; and

b) that new trade agreements have opened the door to cheaper imports which threaten to undermine domestic producers.

5. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) ensure a new sustainable farming scheme has the support of the farming community, with food security and environmental protection at its heart, highlighting the powerful message of no farmers no food; and

b) work with the UK Government to expand on its 87 words regarding farming in the UK Labour general election manifesto, to bring forward a plan for farming and farmers across the United Kingdom.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

15

14

23

52

The motion as amended was not agreed.

11.

Voting Time

Minutes:

The item started at 18.33

Votes Summary

Supporting documents:

(30 mins)

12.

Short Debate

NDM8640 Luke Fletcher (South Wales West)

Confronting the crisis: tackling youth homelessness in Wales

Minutes:

The item started at 18.37

NDM8640 Luke Fletcher (South Wales West)

Confronting the crisis: tackling youth homelessness in Wales