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Transcript: Transcript for 19/02/2025 - Plenary

Items
Expected timing No. Item

This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference.

(45 mins)

1.

Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Housing and Local Government

The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2.

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Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The item started at 13.30

The first 9 questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet Secretary after question 2.

(45 mins)

2.

Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Education

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Minutes:

The item started at 14.17

The first 8 questions were asked. Questions 1 and 3 were answered by the Minister for Further and Higher Education. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Cabinet Secretary after question 2.

(20 mins)

3.

Topical Questions

To ask the Minister for Further and Higher Education

Andrew RT Davies (South Wales Central): Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on plans for cuts to jobs and courses at the University of South Wales?

To ask the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning

Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central): Why is the Welsh Government investing £800,000 less on securing a legacy from UEFA Women's Euro 2025 compared to the expenditure on the Men's 2022 FIFA World Cup?

Minutes:

The item started at 15.05

Answered by the Minister for Further and Higher Education

Andrew RT Davies (South Wales Central): Will the Cabinet Secretary make a statement on plans for cuts to jobs and courses at the University of South Wales?

Answered by the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning

Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central): Why is the Welsh Government investing £800,000 less on securing a legacy from UEFA Women's Euro 2025 compared to the expenditure on the Men's 2022 FIFA World Cup?

(5 mins)

4.

90 Second Statements

Minutes:

The item started at 15.39

Julie Morgan made a statement on - Eating Disorder Awareness Week (24 February – 2 March).

Delyth Jewell made a statement on - 100 years of Caerphilly Workmen’s Hall (7 February).

(0 mins)

5.

Debate on the Children, Young People and Education Committee Report - Children on the margins - Postponed

Minutes:

This item has been postponed until 12 March

(60 mins)

6.

Welsh Conservatives Debate - Ending corridor care in Wales report

NDM8827 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the Ending corridor care in Wales report published by the Royal College of Nursing Wales.

2. Regrets that people in Welsh hospitals are being treated in unsafe, undignified and unacceptable environments.

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to enact the report's eight recommendations in full.

Ending corridor care in Wales report

The following amendment was tabled:

Amendment 1 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes:

a) the Ending corridor care in Wales report published by the Royal College of Nursing Wales and its recommendations; and

b) that the Welsh Government does not endorse the routine care or treatment of people in non-clinical or unsuitable environments.

2. Acknowledges there are occasions when the NHS faces exceptional pressures, which can mean people sometimes experience extended waits in parts of the hospital system.

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to continue to work with the NHS and local authorities to improve timely discharge of people from hospital and support enhanced community care services to provide alternatives to hospital admission wherever possible.

Ending corridor care in Wales report

Minutes:

The item started at 15.42

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM8827 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes the Ending corridor care in Wales report published by the Royal College of Nursing Wales.

2. Regrets that people in Welsh hospitals are being treated in unsafe, undignified and unacceptable environments.

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to enact the report's eight recommendations in full.

Ending corridor care in Wales report

For

Abstain

Against

Total

24

0

26

50

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendment was tabled:

Amendment 1 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes:

a) the Ending corridor care in Wales report published by the Royal College of Nursing Wales and its recommendations; and

b) that the Welsh Government does not endorse the routine care or treatment of people in non-clinical or unsuitable environments.

2. Acknowledges there are occasions when the NHS faces exceptional pressures, which can mean people sometimes experience extended waits in parts of the hospital system.

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to continue to work with the NHS and local authorities to improve timely discharge of people from hospital and support enhanced community care services to provide alternatives to hospital admission wherever possible.

Ending corridor care in Wales report

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

24

50

Amendment 1 was agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Notes:

a) the Ending corridor care in Wales report published by the Royal College of Nursing Wales and its recommendations; and

b) that the Welsh Government does not endorse the routine care or treatment of people in non-clinical or unsuitable environments.

2. Acknowledges there are occasions when the NHS faces exceptional pressures, which can mean people sometimes experience extended waits in parts of the hospital system.

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to continue to work with the NHS and local authorities to improve timely discharge of people from hospital and support enhanced community care services to provide alternatives to hospital admission wherever possible.

Ending corridor care in Wales report

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

24

50

The motion as amended was agreed.

(60 mins)

7.

Plaid Cymru Debate - Gaza

NDM8830 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Reaffirms:

a) the Senedd’s condemnation of Hamas’s attacks on Israeli civilians on 7 October 2023 and Israel’s military response, which has led to more than 60,000 Palestinian deaths and left millions of civilians in Gaza in urgent need of humanitarian aid contrary to international law; and

b) the Senedd’s support for a permanent ceasefire, full humanitarian access, the return of hostages and prisoners, and a just and lasting peace through a two-state solution.

2. Calls on the UK Government to:

a) support the work of the ICC in holding to account both Israeli and Hamas leaders accused of committing war crimes;

b) condemn President Trump’s proposals to depopulate Gaza as ethnic cleansing; and

c) suspend all arms exports to Israel in line with international law

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) review public sector procurement and investments to ensure that ethical standards are upheld;

b) commit further humanitarian support for Gaza; and

c) support communities in Wales with Palestinian and Israeli links.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Regrets the deaths of innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians and the devastating human impact as a result of the conflict in Gaza following Hamas-led terror attacks and hostage taking on 7 October 2023. 

2. Supports efforts to ensure that humanitarian aid is urgently provided to those in need.

3. Reaffirms the support of the Senedd for the release of all remaining hostages, a permanent ceasefire, and a two-state solution in order to achieve lasting peace in the region.

If amendment 1 is agreed, amendments 2, 3 and 4 will be de-selected.

Amendment 2 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new sub-point at the end of point 1:

the UK government’s position that Palestinian civilians must be able to return to their homes and rebuild their lives. 

Amendment 3 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 2.

Amendment 4 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new sub-point at the end of point 3:

support the rule of law and the work of the ICC.

Minutes:

The item started at 16.24

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM8830 Heledd Fychan (South Wales Central)

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Reaffirms:

a) the Senedd’s condemnation of Hamas’s attacks on Israeli civilians on 7 October 2023 and Israel’s military response, which has led to more than 60,000 Palestinian deaths and left millions of civilians in Gaza in urgent need of humanitarian aid contrary to international law; and

b) the Senedd’s support for a permanent ceasefire, full humanitarian access, the return of hostages and prisoners, and a just and lasting peace through a two-state solution.

2. Calls on the UK Government to:

a) support the work of the ICC in holding to account both Israeli and Hamas leaders accused of committing war crimes;

b) condemn President Trump’s proposals to depopulate Gaza as ethnic cleansing; and

c) suspend all arms exports to Israel in line with international law

3. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) review public sector procurement and investments to ensure that ethical standards are upheld;

b) commit further humanitarian support for Gaza; and

c) support communities in Wales with Palestinian and Israeli links.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

11

0

39

50

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Regrets the deaths of innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians and the devastating human impact as a result of the conflict in Gaza following Hamas-led terror attacks and hostage taking on 7 October 2023. 

2. Supports efforts to ensure that humanitarian aid is urgently provided to those in need.

3. Reaffirms the support of the Senedd for the release of all remaining hostages, a permanent ceasefire, and a two-state solution in order to achieve lasting peace in the region.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

13

0

37

50

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

Amendment 2 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new sub-point at the end of point 1:

the UK government’s position that Palestinian civilians must be able to return to their homes and rebuild their lives. 

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

50

0

0

50

Amendment 2 was agreed.

Amendment 3 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 2.

A vote was taken on amendment 3:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

38

1

11

50

Amendment 3 was agreed.

Amendment 4 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new sub-point at the end of point 3:

support the rule of law and the work of the ICC.

A vote was taken on amendment 4:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

37

0

13

50

Amendment 4 was agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Reaffirms:

a) the Senedd’s condemnation of Hamas’s attacks on Israeli civilians on 7 October 2023 and Israel’s military response, which has led to more than 60,000 Palestinian deaths and left millions of civilians in Gaza in urgent need of humanitarian aid contrary to international law;

b) the Senedd’s support for a permanent ceasefire, full humanitarian access, the return of hostages and prisoners, and a just and lasting peace through a two-state solution, and

c) the UK government’s position that Palestinian civilians must be able to return to their homes and rebuild their lives.

2. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) review public sector procurement and investments to ensure that ethical standards are upheld;

b) commit further humanitarian support for Gaza;

c) support communities in Wales with Palestinian and Israeli links; and

d) support the rule of law and the work of the ICC.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

37

0

13

50

The motion as amended was agreed.

8.

Voting Time

Minutes:

The item started at 17.33

Votes Summary

Supporting documents:

(30 mins)

9.

Short Debate

NDM8826 Adam Price (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr)

Public transport links in Wales's post-industrial communities.

Minutes:

The item started at 17.38

NDM8826 Adam Price (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr)

Public transport links in Wales's post-industrial communities.