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1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1. The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting of the Children, Young People and Education Committee.

 

1.2. In accordance with Standing Order 34.19, the Chair stated that she had determined the public were excluded from the Committee’s meeting in order to protect public health but that the meeting would be broadcast live on www.senedd.tv

 

1.3. Apologies were received from Hefin David MS, Huw Irranca-Davies attended as a substitute.

(09.30-15.00)

2.

Curriculum and Assessment (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 proceedings

Kirsty Williams MS, Minister for Education

Georgina Haarhoff, Deputy Director – Curriculum and Assessment, Welsh Government

 

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings will be available on the Bill page.

 

The Children, Young People and Education Committee agreed on 14 January 2021, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be:

 

Sections 2 – 8; Section 1; Sections 10 – 18; Section 9; Sections 20 – 27; Section 19; Sections 29 – 32; Schedule 1; Sections 33 – 38; Section 28; Sections 40 – 50; Section 39; Sections 52 – 57; Section 51; Sections 58 – 59; Sections 61 – 63; Section 60; Sections 64 – 69; Schedule 2; Sections 70 – 80; Long title.

 

Paper 1 – Marshalled List of Amendments

Paper 2 - Groupings of Amendments

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Amendment 41 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 41 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 50 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 50 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 51 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 51 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 42 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 42 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 2 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 3 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 43 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 43 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 52 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 52 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 53 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 53 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 54 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 54 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 44 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 55 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 55 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 56 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 56 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 57 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 57 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 58 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 58 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 59 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 59 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 60 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 60 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 45 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 45 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 61 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 61 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 4 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 5 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 85 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 85 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 86 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 86 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 15 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 15 was agreed.

 

Amendment 87 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 87 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 88 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 88 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 16 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 16 was agreed.

 

Amendment 17 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 17 was agreed.

 

Amendment 89 (Suzy Davies MS) was not moved.

 

Amendment 62 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 62 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 63 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 63 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 64 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 64 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 65 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 65 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 66 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 66 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 67 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 67 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 68 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 68 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 6 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 69 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Laura Jones

Siân Gwenllian

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 69 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 18 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 18 was agreed.

 

Amendment 19 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 19 was agreed.

 

Amendment 20 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 20 was agreed.

 

Amendment 70 (Suzy Davies MS) was not moved.

 

Amendment 7 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 71 (Suzy Davies MS) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 72 (Suzy Davies MS) was not moved.

 

Amendment 73 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 73 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 21 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 22 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 23 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 8 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 24 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 74 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 74 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 75 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 75 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 76 (Suzy Davies MS) was not moved.

Amendment 46 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 46 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 77 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 77 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 78 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 78 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 79 (Suzy Davies MS) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

 

Amendment 26 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 26 was agreed.

 

Amendment 27 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 27 was agreed.

 

Amendment 28 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 28 was agreed.

 

Amendment 29 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 29 was agreed.

 

Amendment 30 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 30 was agreed.

 

Amendment 31 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Suzy Davies

Huw Irranca-Davies

Siân Gwenllian

Lynne Neagle

Laura Jones

Amendment 31 was agreed.

 

Amendment 32 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 32 was agreed.

 

Amendment 33 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 33 was agreed.

 

Amendment 34 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Suzy Davies

Huw Irranca-Davies

Siân Gwenllian

Lynne Neagle

Laura Jones

Amendment 34 was agreed.

 

Amendment 35 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 35 was agreed.

 

Amendment 36 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 36 was agreed.

 

Amendment 37 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 37 was agreed.

 

Amendment 38 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 38 was agreed.

 

Amendment 39 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 39 was agreed.

 

Amendment 40 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Suzy Davies

 

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Amendment 40 was agreed.

 

Amendment 80 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 80 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 81 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 81 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 9 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Suzy Davies

Huw Irranca-Davies

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 9 was agreed.

 

Amendment 82 (Suzy Davies MS) fell.

 

Amendment 10 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 11 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 12 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Suzy Davies

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 12 was agreed.

 

Amendment 47 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 47 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 48 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Siân Gwenllian

Dawn Bowden

Suzy Davies

Huw Irranca-Davies

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 48 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 13 (Kirsty Williams MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Dawn Bowden

 

Suzy Davies

Siân Gwenllian

Laura Jones

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 13 was agreed.

 

Amendment 49 (Siân Gwenllian MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Siân Gwenllian

Dawn Bowden

Suzy Davies

Huw Irranca-Davies

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

Amendment 49 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 83 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 83 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 84 (Suzy Davies MS)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Dawn Bowden

 

Siân Gwenllian

Huw Irranca-Davies

 

Laura Jones

Lynne Neagle

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20(ii)). Therefore amendment 84 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 14 (Kirsty Williams MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).