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Transcript: Transcript for 15/10/2018 - Public Accounts Committee - Fifth Senedd

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1       The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

1.2       Apologies were received from Jack Sargeant AM.

1.3            Adam Price AM declared an interest as the Commissioner for official languages, and delivery and transformation of services to Members.

(13.15 - 13.20)


Paper(s) to note

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2.1 The papers were noted.


Implementation of the NHS Finance (Wales) Act 2014: Letter from Chair of ABMUHB (3 October 2018)

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Governance and oversight of arms-length bodies: Update from Permanent Secretary (25 September 2018)

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(13.20 - 15.30)


Scrutiny of Accounts 2017-18: Welsh Government

Research Briefing – Welsh Government Consolidated Accounts

Research Briefing – EU Structural Funds

PAC(5)-27-18 Paper 1 – Welsh Government Consolidated Accounts 2017-18

PAC(5)-27-18 Paper 2 – Welsh Government Annual Report on Grants Management 2017-18

PAC(5)-27-18 Paper 3 – Letter from the Permanent Secretary (22 August 2018)


Shan Morgan - Permanent Secretary, Welsh Government

Gawain Evans – Director of Finance, Welsh Government

David Richards – Director of Governance, Welsh Government

Peter Kennedy – HR Director, Welsh Government

Peter Ryland - Deputy Director, Programme Performance & Finance, Welsh European Funding Office (WEFO)


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3.1 Members scrutinised Shan Morgan, Permanent Secretary, Gawain Evans, Director of Finance, David Richards, Director of Governance, Peter Kennedy, HR Director from the Welsh Government and Peter Ryland, Deputy Director of the Welsh European Funding Office on the Welsh Government’s Consolidated Accounts for 2017-18.

3.2 Shan Morgan agreed to take legal advice on whether she can disclose further information on head lease agreements between the Welsh Government and sub-lessees who will be tenants in possession.




Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

Items 5, 6 & 7


4.1 The motion was agreed.

(15.30 - 15.45)


Scrutiny of Accounts 2017-18: Consideration of evidence received


5.1 The evidence was considered.

(15.45 - 16.15)


NHS Wales Informatics Services: Consideration of draft report

PAC(5)-27-18 Paper 4 – Draft report

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6.1 Members considered and agreed the draft report subject to a few minor amendments.

(16.15 - 16.30)


Forward Work Programme

PAC(5)-27-18 Paper 5 – Forward Work Programme


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7.1 Members noted the forward work programme.