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1.

Introductions, apologies and substitutions

Minutes:

1.1 No apologies were received.

1.2 The Chair welcomed the Deputy Minister for Social Services and her officials to the meeting.

(09:15 - 12:30)

2.

Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of amendments

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee will dispose of amendments to the Bill in the following order:

 

•Sections 18-69

•Schedule 1

•Sections 70-119

•Schedule 2

•Sections 120-160

•Schedule 3

•Sections 161-169

•Section 1

•Long title

 

Supporting documents:

Marshalled List of Amendments, 27 November 2013

Groupings of Amendments, 27 November 2013

 

In attendance:

Gwenda Thomas AM, Deputy Minister for Social Services

 

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Section 18:

 

Amendment 93 (William Graham) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 22 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 94 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 94 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 113 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 113 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 96 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 96 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 181 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 181 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 408 (Lindsay Whittle) was not moved.

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 23 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 19:

 

Amendment 119 (Kirsty Williams) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66.

 

Amendment 242 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 242 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 120 (Kirsty Williams)

As Amendment 119 was withdrawn, Amendment 120 fell.

 

Amendment 243 (William Graham)

As Amendment 242 was not agreed, Amendment 243 fell.

 

Amendment 244 (William Graham)

As Amendment 242 was not agreed, Amendment 244 fell.

 

Amendment 502 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 24 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 503 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 121 (Kirsty Williams)

As Amendment 119 was withdrawn, Amendment 121 fell.

 

Amendment 245 (William Graham)

As Amendment 242 was not agreed, Amendment 245 fell.

 

Amendment 499 (Kirsty Williams)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 499 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 26 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 97 (William Graham) was not moved.

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 60 (Kirsty Williams) was not moved.

 

New Schedule:

 

Amendment 63 (Kirsty Williams)

As Amendment 60 was not moved, Amendment 63 fell.

 

Section 20:

 

Amendment 27 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 425 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 28 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 504 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 122A (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 122 as amended (Kirsty Williams) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 123 (William Graham) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 124 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 124 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 505 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 101 (Kirsty Williams)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 101 was not agreed.

 

Section 21:

 

Amendment 29 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 30 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Section 22:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 22 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 23:

 

Amendment 31 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 125 (William Graham) was not moved.

 

Amendment 32 (Gwenda Thomas)

For

Against

Abstain

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

0

9

1

0

Amendment 32 was agreed.

 

Amendment 291 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 33 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 24:

 

Amendment 34 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 292 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 253 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 253 was not agreed.

 

Section 25:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 25 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 26:

 

Amendment 35 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 27:

 

Amendment 36 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 28:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 28 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 29:

 

Amendment 37 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New Section :

 

Amendment 537 (Elin Jones)

For

Against

Abstain

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

William Graham

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

0

3

7

0

Amendment 537 was not agreed.

 

Section 30:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 30 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 31:

 

Amendment 479 (Elin Jones)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 479 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 129 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 480 (Elin Jones)

As Amendment 479 was not agreed, Amendment 480 fell.

 

Amendment 130 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 131 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 132 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 133 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 134 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 135 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 136 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 32:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 32 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 33:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 33 was deemed agreed.

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 75 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Darren Millar

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Elin Jones

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

Lindsay Whittle

 

0

3

7

0

Amendment 75 was not agreed.

 

Section 34:

 

Amendment 468 (Lindsay Whittle) was not moved.

 

Amendment 76 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 76 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 77 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 77 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 469 (Lindsay Whittle) was not moved.

 

Section 35:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 35 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 36:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 36 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 37:

 

Amendment 137 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 506 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 138 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 139 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 38 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 140 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 141 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 142 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 232 (Elin Jones)

For

Against

Abstain

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

William Graham

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

0

3

7

0

Amendment 232 was not agreed.

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 233 (Elin Jones)

As Amendment 232 was not agreed, Amendment 233 fell.


 

Section 38:

 

Amendment 409 (Lindsay Whittle) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66.

 

Amendment 410 (Lindsay Whittle) was not moved.

 

Amendment 426 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 411 (Lindsay Whittle) was not moved.

 

Amendment 412 (Lindsay Whittle)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 412 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 427 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 182 (William Graham) was not moved.

 

Amendment 413 (Lindsay Whittle)

As Amendment 412 was not agreed, Amendment 413 fell.

 

Section 39:

 

Amendment 428 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 429 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 430 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 40:

 

Amendment 507 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

 

Amendment 508A (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 508A was not agreed.

 

Amendment 508 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 509 (Gwenda Thomas)

For

Against

Abstain

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Elin Jones

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

William Graham

Darren Millar

 

0

8

2

0

Amendment 509 was agreed.

 

Amendment 108 (William Graham)

As Amendment 509 was agreed, Amendment 108 fell.

 

Amendment 109 (William Graham)

As Amendment 509 was agreed, Amendment 109 fell.

 

Amendment 510 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 511 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 512 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 126 (William Graham) was not moved.

 

Amendment 513 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 514 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New Section:

 

Amendment 110 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

0

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 110 was not agreed.

 

Section 41:

 

Amendment 515 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 42:

 

Amendment 516 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

 

2.2 Sections 18 to 42 were deemed agreed.

 

3.

Papers to note

3a

Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services relating to the implementation of the recommendations of the Greenaway Report

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3a.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services relating to the implementation of the recommendations of the Greenaway Report.

3b

Letter from the Deputy Minister for Social Services relating to the Supplementary Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Care Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3b.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Social Services relating to the Supplementary Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Care Bill.

3c

Letter from the Deputy Minister for Social Services relating to the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill and the repeal of the Carers Strategies (Wales) Measure 2010

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3c.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Deputy Minister for Social Services relating to the Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill and the repeal of the Carers Strategies (Wales) Measure 2010.