Meetings

5.2.1 The Committee noted the letter.

NDM8820 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that the Senedd in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill - as amended at Stage 3

The item started at 18.23

In accordance with Standing Order 26.50C, voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM8820 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that the Senedd in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill - as amended at Stage 3

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

The amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate were set out in the motion under Standing Order 26.36 agreed by the Senedd on 21 January 2025.

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1. “Children’s home service” – meaning and use of

2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 25, 1, 37, 38

2. Minor drafting and consequential amendments

5, 7, 12, 23, 28, 29, 36, 39, 41, 35

3. Advocacy and assistance

77, 78, 58, 83, 87, 88

4. Existing service providers: ‘reasonable profit entity’

42, 43, 44, 45

5. Regarding the register of existing service providers

9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26, 27

6. Transitional period: transitional arrangements for existing service providers

79, 80

7. Oversight of, and support for, transition

46, 47, 48

8. Out of area placements

49, 51, 50, 81, 52, 82

9. Supplementary placements

53, 54, 55, 56, 57

10. Regulation of social care services: inspection

30, 31, 32, 40

11. Personal assistants

59

12. Direct payments for health care: information, advice and support for patients, etc

33, 34, 61, 84, 60, 69, 85, 66, 86, 68

13. Oversight of, and support for, direct payments in health care

62, 63, 64, 65, 67, 70, 71, 72, 73

14. Review of CHC framework

74, 76

15. Procedure for commencement

75

Supporting Documents

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill, as amended at Stage 2

Explanatory Memorandum, revised after Stage 2

Marshalled List of Amendments

Grouping of Amendments

The item started at 17.05

In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 17.08 the Deputy Presiding Officer suspended the meeting. The bell was rung 5 minutes before reconvening.

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7       Stage 3 of the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill

The item started at 17.19

The amendments were disposed of in the order that the sections and schedules to which they relate were set out in the motion under Standing Order 26.36 agreed by the Senedd on 21 January 2025.

Amendment 2 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 4 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 5 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 6 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 77:

Amendment 77 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 42:

Amendment 42 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 43:

Amendment 43 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 44:

Amendment 44 was not agreed.

As amendment 44 was not agreed, amendment 45 fell.

A vote was taken on amendment 78:

Amendment 78 was not agreed.

As amendment 78 was not agreed, amendment 88 fell.

Amendment 7 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 8 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 9 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 10 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 11 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 12 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 79:

Amendment 79 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 80:

Amendment 80 was not agreed.

Amendment 13 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 14 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 15 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 16 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 17 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 18 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 19 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 20 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 21 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 22 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 46:

Amendment 46 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 47:

Amendment 47 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 48:

Amendment 48 was not agreed.

Amendment 23 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 24 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 49:

Amendment 49 was not agreed.

Amendment 25 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 26 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 27 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 51:

Amendment 51 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 50:

Amendment 50 was not agreed.

As amendments 51 and 50 were not agreed, amendment 52 fell.

A vote was taken on amendment 81:

Amendment 81 was not agreed.

As amendment 81 was not agreed, amendment 82 fell.

A vote was taken on amendment 53:

Amendment 53 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 54:

Amendment 54 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 55:

Amendment 55 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 56:

Amendment 56 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 57:

Amendment 57 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 58:

Amendment 58 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 83:

Amendment 83 was not agreed.

As amendment 83 was not agreed, amendment 87 fell.

Amendment 1 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 28 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 29 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 30 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 31 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 32 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 59 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 12.27.

Amendment 36 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 37 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 38 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 39 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 40 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 41 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 33 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 34 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 61 was not moved.

Amendment 84 was not moved.

Amendment 60 was not moved.

Amendment 62 was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 12.27.

Amendment 63 was not moved.

Amendment 64 was not moved.

Amendment 65 was not moved.

Amendment 69 was not moved.

Amendment 85 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 85 was not moved.

Amendment 66 was not moved.

Amendment 86 was not moved.

Amendment 67 was not moved.

Amendment 68 was not moved.

Amendment 70 was not moved.

Amendment 71 was not moved.

Amendment 72 was not moved.

Amendment 73 was not moved.

A vote was taken on amendment 74:

Amendment 74 was not agreed.

As amendment 74 was not agreed, amendment 76 fell.

A vote was taken on amendment 75:

Amendment 75 was not agreed.

Amendment 35 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

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The meeting concluded at 19.36

The Senedd will sit again in Plenary at 13.30, Wednesday, 29 January 2025

The Committee noted the letter from the Minister for Children and Social Care.

NDM8788 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) Sections 2 - 13;

b) Section 1;

c) Sections 14 - 22;

d) Schedule 1;

e) Sections 24 - 25;

f) Schedule 2;

g) Section 26;

h) Section 23;

i) Sections 27 - 30;

j) Long title.

The item started at 19.48

NDM8788 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) Sections 2 - 13;

b) Section 1;

c) Sections 14 - 22;

d) Schedule 1;

e) Sections 24 - 25;

f) Schedule 2;

g) Section 26;

h) Section 23;

i) Sections 27 - 30;

j) Long title.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

The Committee noted the correspondence from the Minister for Children and Social Care to the Health and Social Care Committee.

The Committee noted the Written Statement by the Minister for Children and Social Care.

On 13 November 2024, the Health and Social Care Committee agreed, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be: sections 2-13;  section 1; sections 14-22, Schedule 1, sections 24-25, Schedule 2, section 26, section 23, sections 27-30, Long Title.

Attending on behalf of the Welsh Government will be:

Dawn Bowden MS - Minister for Children and Social Care

Anthony Jordan - Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate

Mike Lubienski - Senior Lawyer

John Spence - Bill Manager, Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Marshalled List of Amendments

Grouping of Amendments

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill (as introduced)

Explanatory Memorandum

3.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 9 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 1 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 44 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 62 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 63 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 65 (Altaf Hussain MS)

As amendment 65 was not agreed, amendment 64 (Altaf Hussain MS) fell.

Amendment 66 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 67 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 10 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 56 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 68 (Altaf Hussain MS) was withdrawn.

Amendment 2 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 3 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 69 (Altaf Hussain MS) was not moved.

Amendment 45 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 11 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 4 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 57 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 5 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 70 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 71 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 72 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 12 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 6 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 14 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 7 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 46 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 15 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 58 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 16 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 17 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 47 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 48 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

As amendments 47 and 48 were not agreed, amendment 49 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS) fell.

Amendment 18 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 19 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Dawn Bowden MS)

Amendment 50 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 51 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 52 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 75 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 76 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 59 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 77 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 21 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 22 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 23 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 24 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 25 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 26 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 78 (Altaf Hussain MS)

As amendment 59 was not agreed, amendment 60 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS) fell.

Amendment 31 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 32 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 56 was not agreed, amendment 61 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS) fell.

As amendment 65 was not agreed, amendment 98 (Altaf Hussain MS) fell.

Amendment 99 (Altaf Hussain MS) was not moved.

Amendment 8 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 33 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 34 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 35 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 36 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 37 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 38 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 39 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 40 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 53 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 84 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 79 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 80 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 81 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 82 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 83 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 54 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS)

Amendment 85 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 27 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 54 was not agreed, amendment 55 (Mabon ap Gwynfor MS) fell.

As amendment 85 was not agreed, amendment 86 (Altaf Hussain MS) fell.

Amendment 87 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 88 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 89 (Altaf Hussain MS)

 Amendment 90 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 91 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 92 (Altaf Hussain MS)

Amendment 28 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 41 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 42 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 43 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 93 (Altaf Hussain MS)

As amendment 77 was not agreed, amendment 94 (Altaf Hussain MS) fell.

Amendment 95 (Altaf Hussain MS) was not moved.

Amendment 29 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 30 (Dawn Bowden MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 93 was not agreed, amendment 96 (Altaf Hussain MS) fell.

Amendment 97 (Altaf Hussain MS) was not moved.

Paper 1 - Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 : Order of consideration

4.1 The Committee agreed, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings would be: sections 2-13;  section 1; sections 14-22, Schedule 1, sections 24-25, Schedule 2, section 26, section 23, sections 27-30,  Long Title.

2.3.1 The Committee noted the letter.

The Committee noted the correspondence from the Minister for Children and Social Care in response to the Committee’s report on the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill.

NDM8695 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that Senedd Cymru in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill.

The Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Senedd on 20 May 2024; the report of the Health and Social Care Committee on the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill was laid before the Senedd on 11 October 2024.

Supporting Documents

Report of the Finance Committee

Government response to the report of the Finance Committee

Report of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee

Letter from the Llywydd to the Chairs of the Health and Social Care Committee and the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee regarding legislative competence and human rights considerations in the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill

The item started at 16.34

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM8695 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that Senedd Cymru in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill.

The Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Senedd on 20 May 2024; the report of the Health and Social Care Committee on the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill was laid before the Senedd on 11 October 2024.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

NDM8696 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that Senedd Cymru, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The item started at 16.34

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM8696 Dawn Bowden (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney)

To propose that Senedd Cymru, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

The Committee noted the correspondence from the Minister for Children and Social Care to the Finance Committee.

The Committee agreed its draft report.

2.17.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.16.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.14.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.15.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.9.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.8.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.7.1 The Committee noted the letter.

2.1.1 The Committee noted the letter.

Private document – added for supplement

4.1 The Committee considered the draft report on the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill in private, and resolved to agree any further amendments by email.

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Statement of Policy Intent

The Committee considered the draft report and agreed to consider a further draft at a future meeting.

Supporting documents:

FIN(6)-17-24 P2 – Draft report

7.1 The Committee considered the draft report and agreed it with minor changes.

6.1 The Committee agreed the draft letter.

Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care
Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Chloe Marong, Lawyer – Welsh Government

Research brief

5.1 The Committee received evidence from the Minister for Social Care.

5.2 The Minister for Social Care agreed to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care to write to the Committee to provide an update on the review of the current CHC framework.[LJ1] 

7.2 The Committee noted the response.

Gillian Baranski, Chief Inspector - Care Inspectorate Wales

Margaret Rooney, Deputy Chief Inspector - Care Inspectorate Wales

Sue Evans, Chief Executive - Social Care Wales

Research brief

6.1 The Committee received evidence from Care Inspectorate Wales and Social Care Wales.

10.1 The Committee considered the evidence received and emerging themes for inclusion in the Committee’s report.

The Committee noted the correspondence from the Minister for Social Care.

Helen Mary Jones, Voices From Care Cymru

Sharon Lovell, Chief Executive - NYAS Cymru

Rachel Thomas, Head of Policy and Public Affairs - Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Rhiannon Beaumont-Walker, Chief Executive - TGP Cymru

Paper 1 – NYAS Cymru
Paper 2 – Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Paper 3 – TGP Cymru

4.1 The Committee heard evidence from organisations who support children in care.

Research brief

Jennifer Winslade, Executive Director of Nursing - Aneurin Bevan University Health Board

Gaynor Williams, National Director, Complex Care NHS Wales

5.1 The Committee heard evidence from representatives of local health boards.

6.3 The Committee agreed the response.

3.1 The Committee held an evidence session with young people from Voices from Care.

The Committee will be holding a private discussion with care experienced young people .

Research brief

1.1 The Committee had a private discussion with care experienced young people.

8.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care

Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate

Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate

Supporting documents:

Senedd Research Brief

4.1 The Committee took evidence on the financial implications of the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill from Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care; Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate; and Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate.

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

7.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for Social Care with additional questions that weren’t reached during the evidence session.

9.7 The Committee noted the letter.

9.8 The Committee noted the letter.

9.9 The Committee noted the letter.

Jason Bennett, All Wales Heads of Adults' Services Group, Vale of Glamorgan Council - ADSS Cymru
Councillor Andrew Morgan, WLGA Leader and Leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough Council
Zoe Williams, Chair - All Wales Direct Payments Forum

Mark Cooper, Vice Chair - All Wales Direct Payments Forum

Paper 8 - WLGA

8.1 The Committee received evidence from ADSS Cymru and the WLGA.

Sally Jenkins, Strategic Director of Social Services, Newport County Council and Chair of the 4Cs Board  - ADSS Cymru

Craig Macleod – Head of Children’s Services, Flintshire County Council and Vice Chair of AWHOCs (All Wales Head of Children’s Services) – ADSS Cymru
Darren Mutter, Head of Children’s Services, Pembrokeshire County Council – ADSS Cymru

Paper 7 – ADSS Cymru

7.1 The Committee received evidence from ADSS Cymru.

7.2 Sally Jenkins agreed to provide the Committee with details of where local authority provision has increased as a result of the additional funding allocation.[JL(CyS|SC1] 

Rhian Carter, Team Manager - Action for Children
Sarah Crawley, Director of Children’s Services - Barnardo's Cymru

Sarah Thomas, Chief Executive Officer – The Fostering Network

Mike Anthony, Service Manager - Wales Fostering Service - TACT Cymru 

Research brief

Paper 1 – Action for Children

Paper 2 – Barnardo’s Cymru

Paper 3 – The Fostering Network

Paper 4 – TACT Cymru

3.1 The Committee received evidence from not-for-profit providers.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Harvey Gallagher, Chief Executive – Nationwide Association of Fostering Providers

Colin Tucker, Director/Responsible Individual – 1^st Affinity Fostering Services Nationwide Association of Fostering Providers

Sharon Cavaliere, Calon Cymru Director - Nationwide Association of Fostering Providers

Jen Robbins, Head of Policy and Strategy – The Children’s Homes Association

Darryl Williams – Director - Woodlands Ltd – The Children’s Homes Association

Dr Deborah Judge, Clinical Director and Responsible Individual -  Birribi – The Children’s Homes Association

Paper 5 – Nationwide Association of Fostering Providers

Paper 6 – The Children’s Homes Association

10.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

3.1 The Committee noted the letter.

The Committee considered the evidence provided by the Minister for Social Care, and agreed to write to the Minister with further questions.

Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care

Tracy Hull, Lawyer, Welsh Government

Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate, Welsh Government

Mike Lubienski, Senior Lawyer, Welsh Government

The Committee received evidence on the Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill from the Minister for Social Care.

Samantha Williams, Policy and Communications Manager - Learning Disability Wales

Jake Smith, Policy Officer - Carers Wales
Kat Watkins, UNCRDP Development Officer – Disability Wales


Paper 1 – Learning Disability Wales

Paper 2 – Carers Wales

2.1 The Committee received evidence from organisations that represent disabled people and carers.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Nathan Lee Davies

Chris Hall

Shahd Zorob

John Hunt

Cecilia Kenny

Research brief

2.1 The Committee received evidence from disabled people on proposals to introduce direct payments for Continuing NHS Healthcare.

Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care

Albert Heaney, Chief Social Care Officer for Wales - Welsh Government

Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Taryn Stephens, Deputy Director, Improvement, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Research brief
Paper 2 – Welsh Government

Dawn Bowden MS, Minister for Social Care

Albert Heaney, Chief Social Care Officer for Wales - Welsh Government

Alistair Davey, Deputy Director, Enabling People, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Taryn Stephens, Deputy Director, Improvement, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government

Anthony Jordan, Head of Programme and Legislative Implementation, Social Services and Integration Directorate - Welsh Government


Research brief

Paper 1 – Health and Social Care (Wales) Bill: Bill Summary