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Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

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Meeting: 14/07/2016 - Finance Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)

4 Consideration of Section 7, Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Claire Clancy – Chief Executive and Clerk to the National Assembly for Wales

Matthew Richards – Senior Legal Adviser, National Assembly for Wales

 

Paper 1 – Consideration of Section 7, Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee considered the position with the regard to remuneration of the Auditor General for Wales and noted the Chief Executive and Clerk had consulted with the First Minister.  The Committee resolved that remuneration arrangements for the Auditor General for Wales should remain as specified in his current terms and conditions.

Meeting: 14/07/2016 - Finance Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 1)

1 Consideration of legal advice in relation to Section 7, Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Legal brief – Section 7, Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

1.1 The Committee received legal advice from Commission staff in relation to Section 7 of the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

Meeting: 01/07/2015 - Finance Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

6 Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013: Correspondence from Chair of Wales Audit Office

Paper 2 - Letter to Chair of Finance Committee from Chair of Wales Audit Office

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee considered the correspondence and agreed to write to the Chair of the Wales Audit Office.

Meeting: 30/04/2013 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

Implications of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill - Consideration of correspondence from the Business Committee

Supporting documents:

Meeting: 30/04/2013 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 7)

Implications of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill - Consideration of correspondence from Business Committee

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee discussed correspondence from the Business Committee regarding the implications of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

 

3.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Presiding Officer recommending that:

 

·         the ‘client’ and ‘oversight’ functions of the Public Accounts Committee are separated between it and another committee;

·         the Finance Committee be made responsible for considering, approving and making modifications to the estimate of the income and expenditure for the Wales Audit Office.

·         a new committee should be established, with a responsibility for overseeing the Wales Audit Office’s governance arrangements.

Meeting: 05/03/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 9.)

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

At the conclusion of Stage 3 the Minister may propose that the Bill be passed in accordance with Standing Order 26.47. If the proposition is agreed.

 

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Decision:

The item started at 17.50

At the conclusion of Stage 3 the Minister may propose that the Bill be passed in accordance with Standing Order 26.47. If the proposition is agreed:

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Meeting: 05/03/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 8.)

Stage 3 Standing Order 26.44 debate on the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

The Amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

 

1. Technical and consequential

28, 29, 14, 26, 15A, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24

2. Scheme of delegation

2, 3

 

3. WAO Employee Members

4, 5, 6, 7, 25

4. Annual plan

8, 9, 11

5. Preparation of interim reports

10, 12, 13

6. Transfer of staff to WAO

1*, 1A*, 27

* These amendments will be disposed of in the order—1A, 1

Supporting Documents:
Public Audit (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Marshalled List of Amendments
Grouping of Amendments

Decision:

The item started at 17.20

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

The Amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1. Technical and consequential

28, 29, 14, 26, 15A, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24

2. Scheme of delegation

2, 3

 

3. WAO Employee Members

4, 5, 6, 7, 25

4. Annual plan

8, 9, 11

5. Preparation of interim reports

10, 12, 13

6. Transfer of staff to WAO

1*, 1A*, 27

* These amendments will be disposed of in the order—1A, 1

Voting was taken in the order set out in the Marshalled List of Amendments:

Amendment 28 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 29 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 4 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 5 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 6 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 7 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 25 was not moved.

Amendment 8 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 9 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 10 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 11 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 12 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 13 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 14 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 1A was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 1 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 27 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 26 was not moved.

Amendment 15A was not moved.

Amendment 15 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 16 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 17 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 18 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 19 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 20 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 21 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 22 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 23 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 24 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

Meeting: 28/01/2013 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of Amendments

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee will dispose of amendments to the Bill in the following order:

 

Sections 1-37

Schedules 1-4

 

Supporting documents:

Marshalled list of amendments

Groupings of amendments

 

Jane Hutt AM, Minister for Finance and Leader of the House

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Section 1:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 1 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 2:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 2 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 3:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 3 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 4:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 4 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 5:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 5 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 6:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 6 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 7:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 7 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 8:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 8 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 9:

Amendment 37 (Aled Roberts) was withdrawn.

 

Section 10:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 10 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 11:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 11 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 12:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 12 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 13:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 13 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 14:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 14 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 15:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 15 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 16:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 16 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 17:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 17 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 18:

 

Amendment 1 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 2 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 3 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 19:

 

Amendment 4 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 44 (Aled Roberts) was not moved.

 

Amendment 5 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 20:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 20 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 21:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 21 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 22:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 22 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 23:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 23 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 24:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 24 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 25:

 

Amendment 6 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 26:

 

Amendment 7 (Jane Hutt) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 27:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 27 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 28:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 28 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 29:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 29 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 30:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 30 was deemed  ...  view the full minutes text for item 2

Meeting: 04/12/2012 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 7.)

Motion to approve the Financial Resolution of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

NDM5112 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Public Audit (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69(ii), arising in consequence of the Bill.

 

Decision:

The item started at 16:22

NDM5112 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Public Audit (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69(ii), arising in consequence of the Bill.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

 

Meeting: 04/12/2012 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 6.)

Debate on the General Principles of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

NDM5111 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

The Public Audit (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 9 July 2012.

The report of The Public Accounts Committee on the Public Audit (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 23 November 2012.

Supporting Documents
The Public Audit (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
The report of the Public Accounts Committee
The Report of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee

Decision:

The item started at 15:35

NDM5111 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

The Public Audit (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 9 July 2012.

The report of The Public Accounts Committee on the Public Audit (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 23 November 2012.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

 

 

Meeting: 19/11/2012 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6.)

Report on the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Papers:

CLA(4)-23-12(p4) – Letter from the Chair to the Minister for Finance and Leader of the House dated 9 October 2012

CLA(4)-23-12(p5) – The Minister’s response dated 25 October 2012

CLA(4)-23-12(p6) – Draft Report

 

Supporting documents:

Meeting: 19/11/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Consideration of draft report

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee considered its draft report on the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Meeting: 06/11/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Key themes and emerging issues

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee considered the key themes and emerging issues that have arisen during scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Meeting: 22/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

5 Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from the Audit Commission

PAC(4) 22-12 – Paper 2 – Evidence from the Audit Commission

 

Martin Evans

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee took evidence from Martin Evans, Managing Director of Audit Policy, Audit Commission.

Meeting: 22/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 7)

Consideration of evidence on Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Minutes:

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence provided by the Audit Commission and the Minister for Finance and Leader of the House as part of its Stage 1 scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

 

Action point:

 

7.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister to seek further assurances on the following matters—

 

  • that the WAO staff terms and conditions will be protected as a result of their transfer from the Auditor General’s employment to the new WAO and that the transfer arrangements will be fully compliant with TUPE terms;
  • that the creation of the new WAO will not give rise to any additional tax liabilities;
  • that the new arrangements will not prevent or inhibit the Auditor General from participating in the National Fraud Initiative.

 

 

Meeting: 22/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from the Minister for Finance and Leader of the House

Jane Hutt AM, Minister for Finance and Leader of the House

Reg Kilpatrick, Director of Local Government & Public Service, Welsh Government

Nicola Charles, Lawyer, Welsh Government

 

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee took evidence from Jane Hutt, the Member in Charge of the Bill and Minister for Finance and Leader of the House; Reg Kilpatrick, Director of Local Government and Public Service, Welsh Government; and Nicola Charles, Legal Services, Welsh Government.

 

Action Point:

 

6.2 The Minister agreed to provide a supplementary note to the Committee on:

 

·         the inter-relationship between the Policy Authority and the Chief Constable;

·         examples of supervisory and executive board models operating in relation to key public functions in Wales;

·         how, under the provisions in the Bill, the AGW would continue to have the ability to put in place robust quality assurance arrangements that he/she considers necessary to remain compliant with International Auditing Standards.

Meeting: 16/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

Consideration of evidence on Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence provided by Professor Heald and the UK Comptroller and Auditor General as part of its Stage 1 scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Meeting: 16/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

3 Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from the UK Comptroller and Auditor General

Amyas Morse, UK Comptroller and Auditor General

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Amyas Morse, the UK Comptroller and Auditor General.

Meeting: 16/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

2 Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from Professor David Heald

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from Professor David Heald.

Meeting: 08/10/2012 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5.)

5. Public Audit Wales

Papers:

CLA(4)-20-12(p1) – Public Audit (Wales) Bill

CLA(4)-20-12(p2) – Explanatory Memorandum

CLA(4)-20-12(p3) – Legal Advisers Report

 

Supporting documents:

Meeting: 01/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

2 Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales (ICAEW)

Vernon Soare, Executive Director

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from Vernon Soare, Executive Director, Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales (ICAEW).

 

Action point:

 

2.2 Mr Soare agreed to provide a supplementary note to the

Committee on whether the ICAEW supported the establishment of the corporate body model for the National Audit Office (NAO) in England.

 

Meeting: 01/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

Consideration of evidence on Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence provided by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales (ICAEW), the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union and Prospect as part of its Stage 1 scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Meeting: 01/10/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

3 Public Audit (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence from Prospect and the Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union

Gareth Howells, Prospect

David Rees, Prospect

Ben Robertson, PCS Union

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Ben Robertson, Public and Commercial Services (PCS) Union; Gareth Howells, Prospect; and David Rees, Prospect.

 

 

Meeting: 24/09/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 7)

Consideration of evidence on Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Minutes:

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence provided by the Minister for Finance and Leader of the House and the Auditor General for Wales as part of its Stage 1 scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill.

Meeting: 24/09/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill - Evidence from the Minister for Finance and Leader of the House

 

Jane Hutt AM, Minister for Finance and Leader of the House

Reg Kilpatrick, Director of Local Government & Public Service, Welsh Government

Nicola Charles, Lawyer, Welsh Government

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee took evidence from Jane Hutt, the Member in Charge of the Bill and Minister for Finance and Leader of the House; Reg Kilpatrick, Director of Local Government and Public Service, Welsh Government; and Nicola Charles, Legal Services, Welsh Government.

Meeting: 24/09/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

6 Public Audit (Wales) Bill - Evidence from the Auditor General for Wales

PAC(4) 17-12 – Paper 2 – Auditor General for Wales

 

Huw Vaughan Thomas, Auditor General for Wales

Mike Usher, Group Director – Financial Audit

Martin Peters, Compliance Manager

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee took evidence from Huw Vaughan Thomas, Auditor General for Wales; Mike Usher, Group Director – Financial Audit, Wales Audit Office; and Martin Peters, Compliance Manager, Wales Audit Office.

 

Action point:

 

6.2 The Auditor General for Wales agreed to provide a supplementary note to the Committee on:

·         his estimate of the financial implications of the Bill, and

·         his concerns regarding TUPE arrangements for transferring staff to the new Wales Audit Office established by the Bill.

Meeting: 17/07/2012 - Public Accounts Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

Consideration of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee agreed its terms of reference and approach to scrutiny of the Public Audit (Wales) Bill and agreed to launch a public consultation shortly.

Meeting: 19/06/2012 - Business Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4)

Public Audit (Wales) Bill

Supporting documents:

  • Restricted enclosure 85
  • Restricted enclosure 86

Minutes:

The Business Committee agreed to refer the Public Audit (Wales) Bill to the Public Accounts Committee for consideration.  The Business Committee agreed a deadline of 23 November 2012 to report on the general principles of the Bill.  Subject to the Bill being agreed at Stage 1, the Business Committee agreed that Stage 2 Committee proceedings should be completed by 1 February 2013.

 

The Business Committee noted a letter from the Chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), expressing concerns with the proposed Stage 1 deadline given the difficulties PAC has been experiencing with its Tuesday morning slot and on-going demands of routine inquiry work.  The Business Committee agreed to consider the PAC meeting slot as part of the review of the committee structure.

 

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