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NDM8300 Plaid Cymru Debate - Devolution of justice and policing
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Meeting: 21/06/2023 - Plenary (Item 9)
Plaid Cymru Debate - Devolution of justice and policing
NDM8300 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon)
To propose that the Senedd:
1. Notes that over a quarter of a century since
devolution, Wales remains the only devolved nation without its own legal system
and powers over its police forces, despite there being no rational basis for
this.
2. Believes that:
a) powers over justice and policing should
be fully devolved to Wales; and
b) establishing a distinct Welsh legal
system and making Welsh police forces fully accountable to the Senedd can be
vital steps along the road to independence.
3. Calls on the
Welsh Government to formally request powers over justice and policing.
The following amendment was tabled:
Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham)
Delete all after sub-point 2 (a) and
replace with:
establishing a distinct Welsh legal system
and making Welsh police forces fully accountable to the Senedd can be vital
steps to ensuring that justice and policing can be better delivered for the
benefit of the people of Wales; and
the Commission on Justice in Wales set out
clearly why powers over justice should be wholly devolved and a Welsh legal
jurisdiction established.
Calls on the Welsh Government to continue pursuing the case and preparing for the devolution of policing and justice.
Minutes:
The
item started at 17.08
Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred
until Voting Time.
A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:
NDM8300 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon)
To propose that the Senedd:
1. Notes that over a quarter of a century since devolution, Wales
remains the only devolved nation without its own legal system and powers over
its police forces, despite there being no rational basis for this.
2. Believes that:
a) powers over justice and policing should be fully devolved to
Wales; and
b) establishing a distinct Welsh legal system and making Welsh
police forces fully accountable to the Senedd can be vital steps along the road
to independence.
3. Calls on the Welsh Government to formally request powers over
justice and policing.
|
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
|
10 |
0 |
40 |
50 |
The motion without amendment was not agreed.
The following amendment was tabled:
Amendment
1 Lesley Griffiths
(Wrexham)
Delete
all after sub-point 2 (a) and replace with:
establishing
a distinct Welsh legal system and making Welsh police forces fully accountable
to the Senedd can be vital steps to ensuring that justice and policing can be
better delivered for the benefit of the people of Wales; and
the
Commission on Justice in Wales set out clearly why powers over justice should
be wholly devolved and a Welsh legal jurisdiction established.
Calls
on the Welsh Government to continue pursuing the case and preparing for the
devolution of policing and justice.
A vote
was taken on amendment 1:
|
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
|
25 |
0 |
26 |
51 |
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the Deputy Presiding Officer
exercised his casting vote by voting against the amendment. Therefore,
amendment 1 was not agreed.
As the Senedd did not agree the motion without amendment, and did
not agree the amendment tabled to the motion, the motion was therefore not
agreed.