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The Committee noted the Written Statement by the Minister for Culture, Skills and Social Partnership and the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery.

NDM8242 Mick Antoniw (Pontypridd)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26C.58:

Approves the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill, as amended at Detailed Committee Consideration

Supporting Documents
Report of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee: Outcome of Detailed Committee Consideration
Presiding Officer Statement

The item started at 19.04

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM8242 Mick Antoniw (Pontypridd)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26C.58:

Approves the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill, as amended at Detailed Committee Consideration

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

The Committee considered and agreed its draft report.

The Committee noted the correspondence with the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution.

The Committee agreed to consider a draft report on the detailed committee consideration of the Bill at its next meeting. The Committee also agreed to write to the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution to seek further clarification.

Agreed Order of Consideration:

The Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee agreed on 16 January 2023, under Standing Order 26C.27, that the order of consideration for Detailed Committee Consideration proceedings would be: sections 2 to 75; Schedules 1 and 3 to 6; sections 76 to 157; Schedules 2 and 7 to 10; sections 158 to 166; Schedule 11; sections 167 to 191; Schedule 12; sections 192 to 213; Schedules 13 and 14; section 1; and the Long title.

Marshalled List of Amendments - 13 February 2023

Grouping of Amendments - 13 February 2023

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

In accordance with Standing Order 26C.27, the Committee disposed of the following  amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 49 (James Evans MS)

Amendment 1 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 2 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 3 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 4 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 5 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 32 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 33 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 34 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 6 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 7 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 8 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 9 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendments 10,11 and12 (Mick Antoniw MS) were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendments 14,15 and16 (Mick Antoniw MS) were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 17 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 18 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 19 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 21 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 22 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 23 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 35 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendments 36,37 and 38 (Mick Antoniw MS) were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 39 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 24 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 40 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 25 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 26 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 27 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 28 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 29 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 30 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 31 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 50 fell

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 51 fell

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 52 fell

Amendment 41 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 42 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 43 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 44 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 45 (Mick Antoniw MS) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 46 fell

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 47 fell

As amendment 49 was not agreed, amendment 48 fell

The Committee noted the letter from National Trust Cymru.

The Committee noted the letter from the Business Committee.

The Committee noted the letter from the Counsel General.

The Committee noted the letter from the Counsel General.

NDM8178 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26C.18:

1. Agrees that the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill should proceed as a Consolidation Bill.

The Historic Environment (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Senedd on 4 July 2022;

The report of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill was laid before the Senedd on 23 December 2022.

The item started at 18.19

NDM8178 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham)

To propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 26C.18:

1. Agrees that the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill should proceed as a Consolidation Bill.

The Historic Environment (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Senedd on 4 July 2022;

The report of the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill was laid before the Senedd on 23 December 2022.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

The Committee agreed it’s approach to the detailed committee consideration stage of the Bill and agreed the order of consideration for the disposal of amendments at Detailed Committee Consideration, subject to the Initial Consideration debate.

The Committee noted the letter from the Counsel General

The Committee considered and agreed its draft report.

The Committee considered its draft report and agreed to consider a further version and a future meeting. 

The Committee considered the evidence received from the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution and agreed the approach to consideration of its draft report.

Mick Antoniw MS, Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution

Dylan Hughes, First Legislative Counsel and Director of the Office of the Legislative Counsel, Welsh Government

James George, Senior Legislative Counsel, Welsh Government

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex A – Explanatory Notes

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B1 – Table of Origins

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B2 – Table of Destinations

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex C – Explanation of changes made to existing provisions (Drafters’ Notes)

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex D – Correspondence from the Law Commission

Letter to the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution: Follow-up to evidence session on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill - 19 July 2022
Letter from the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution: Follow-up to evidence session on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill - 17 August 2022
Letter to the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution: Matters of Interest in the Drafters' Notes - 20 September 2022
Letter from the Counsel General: Matters of Interest in the Drafters' Notes - 17 October 2022

The Committee received evidence from the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution in relation to the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.

The Committee considered correspondence received in relation to the  Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.

The Committee considered a response received from a stakeholder as part of its targeted call for evidence on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.

The Committee noted the letter from the Finance Committee to the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution.

The Committee considered responses received from relevant stakeholders as part of its targeted call for evidence on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.

The Committee considered  the evidence received from the Law Commission for England and Wales on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.

The Rt Hon. Lord Justice Green, Chair of the Law Commission

Nicholas Paines KC, Law Commissioner for the Law in Wales

Charles Mynors, Lawyer responsible for the Planning Law in Wales project

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex A – Explanatory Notes

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B1 – Table of Origins

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B2 – Table of Destinations

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex C – Explanation of changes made to existing provisions (Drafters’ Notes)

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex D – Correspondence from the Law Commission

The Committee heard evidence from the Law Commission for England and Wales on the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill. 

The Committee noted the letter and agreed to respond to the Finance Committee.

Mick Antoniw MS, Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution

Dylan Hughes, First Legislative Counsel

Dr James George, Senior Legislative Counsel

Historic Environment (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex A – Explanatory Notes

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B1 – Table of Origins

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex B2 – Table of Destinations

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex C – Explanation of changes made to existing provisions (Drafters’ Notes)

Explanatory Memorandum: Annex D – Correspondence from the Law Commission

The Committee received evidence from the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution in relation to the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill. The Committee agreed to write to the Counsel General following the session with a number of further questions.

The Committee considered the evidence received from the Counsel General and Minister for the Constitution.

The Committee considered and its agreed its approach to scrutinising the Historic Environment (Wales) Bill.