Meetings
Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
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Meeting: 18/03/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 2)
2 Proposed relocation at Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
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Meeting: 05/03/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 05/03/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 05/03/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the Chair to the Chair of Natural Resources Wales in relation to the annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales, item 4
PDF 132 KB
- Response from the Chair of Natural Resources Wales to the Chair in relation to the annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales, item 4
PDF 383 KB
Meeting: 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 2)
- Webcast for 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
2 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Ceri Davies, Interim Chief Executive Officer - Natural Resources Wales
Neil Sachdev, Chair - Natural Resources Wales
Rachael Cunningham, Executive Director for Finance and Corporate Services - Natural Resources Wales
Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2024-2025 (PDF 2.8MB)
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 14 , View reasons restricted (2/1)
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 2
PDF 208 KB
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2024-2025, item 2
PDF 3 MB
Minutes:
2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives from Natural Resources Wales.
Meeting: 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 3)
- Webcast for 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 14/01/2026 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
3 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 09/10/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 2)
- Webcast for 09/10/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 09/10/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
2 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 08/10/2025 - Plenary (Item 6)
Debate on the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report: Natural Resources Wales: Annual scrutiny 2024-25
NDM8996 Llyr
Gruffydd (North Wales)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes
the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report: Natural
Resources Wales: Annual scrutiny 2024-25 was laid
on 21 May 2025.
Notes:
The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid
in the Table Office on 1 October 2025. Natural Resources Wales responded on 3 July 2025.
Minutes:
The
item started at 15.27
NDM8996 Llyr
Gruffydd (North Wales)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes
the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report: Natural
Resources Wales: Annual scrutiny 2024-25 was laid
on 21 May 2025.
Notes:
The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid
in the Table Office on 1 October 2025. Natural Resources Wales responded on 3 July 2025.
The
motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Meeting: 09/07/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 09/07/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 09/07/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the British Mountaineering Council Cymru to the Chair in relation to the scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales, item 4
PDF 104 KB
- Response from the Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs to the Chair in relation to the Committee's report: Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2024-25, item 4
PDF 149 KB
- Response from Natural Resources Wales to the Chair in relation to the Committee's report: Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2024-25, item 4
PDF 150 KB
Meeting: 07/05/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 3)
- Webcast for 07/05/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 07/05/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
3 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the Chair to Sir David Henshaw, Chair of Natural Resources Wales in relation to the visitor centres at Ynyslas, Coed y Brenin and Nant yr Arian, item 3
PDF 90 KB
- Response from Sir David Henshaw, Chair of Natural Resources Wales to the Chair in relation to the visitor centres at Ynyslas, Coed y Brenin and Nant yr Arian, item 3
PDF 88 KB
- Letter from Jane Dodds MS to the Chair in relation to the Ynyslas Visitor Centre and the role of Visitor Centre Wardens, item 3
PDF 106 KB
- Response from the Chair to Jane Dodds MS in relation to the Ynyslas Visitor Centre and the role of Visitor Centre Wardens, item 3
PDF 71 KB
Meeting: 30/04/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
5 Consideration of draft report on Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 43 , View reasons restricted (5/1)
Minutes:
5.1 Members agreed the draft report subject to a few minor amendments.
Meeting: 27/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 27/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 27/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee to the Acting Chief Executive Officer of Natural Resources Wales in relation to P-06-1447 Stop Natural Resources Wales closing the visitor centre at Ynyslas National Nature Reserve and P-06-1474 Stop Natural Resources Wales closing Bwlch Nant yr Arian, Coed y Brenin & Ynyslas visitor centres, item 4
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- Response from the Acting Chief Executive Officer of Natural Resources Wales to the Chair of the Petitions Committee in relation to P-06-1447 Stop Natural Resources Wales closing the visitor centre at Ynyslas National Nature Reserve and P-06-1474 Stop Natural Resources Wales closing Bwlch Nant yr Arian, Coed y Brenin & Ynyslas visitor centres, item 4
PDF 144 KB
Meeting: 12/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 2)
- Webcast for 12/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 12/03/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
2 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Ceri Davies, Acting Chief Executive Officer – Natural Resources Wales
Sir David Henshaw, Chair – Natural Resources Wales
Rachael Cunningham, Executive Director for Finance & Corporate Services – Natural Resources Wales
Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2023-2024 (PDF 2MB)
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 52 , View reasons restricted (2/1)
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 2
PDF 145 KB
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2023-2024, item 2
PDF 2 MB
Minutes:
2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives from Natural Resources Wales.
Meeting: 20/02/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 20/02/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/02/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
5 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee to the Chair in relation to the annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales and pollution at Watchtower Bay and Ogmore by Sea, item 5
PDF 279 KB
- Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee to the Chair in relation to the scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales, item 5
PDF 112 KB
Meeting: 23/01/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 23/01/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 23/01/2025 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 20/11/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 6)
- Webcast for 20/11/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/11/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
6 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales on topical issues
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 16/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 16/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 16/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Natural Resources Wales Library and Information Services
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales on topical issues
Sian Williams, Head of Operations - Natural Resources Wales
Nadia De Longhi, Head of Regulation & Permitting - Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 75 , View reasons restricted (4/1)
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 4
PDF 166 KB
Minutes:
4.1 The Committee received evidence from Natural Resources Wales.
Meeting: 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 03/10/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
5 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee to the Chief Executive of Natural Resources Wales in relation to the visitor centre at Ynyslas National Nature Reserve, item 5
PDF 123 KB
- Response from the Chief Executive of Natural Resources Wales to the Chair of the Petitions Committee in relation to the visitor centre at Ynyslas National Nature Reserve, item 5
PDF 48 KB
- Letter from CILIP Cymru Wales to the Welsh Government in relation to Natural Resources Wales Library and Information Services, item 5
PDF 199 KB
- Letter from the Clerk of the Petitions Committee to the Chief Executive of Natural Resources Wales in relation to the closure the Bwlch Nant yr Arian, Coed y Brenin & Ynyslas visitor centres, item 5
PDF 102 KB
Meeting: 02/10/2024 - Plenary (Item 6)
Debate on the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report - Natural Resources Wales: Annual Scrutiny 2023-24
NDM8678 Llyr
Gruffydd (North Wales)
To propose that the Senedd:
Notes the Climate Change, Environment and
Infrastructure Committee report, ‘Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny
2023-24’, laid on 21 May 2024.
Note: The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 25 September 2024. Natural Resources Wales responded on 2 July 2024.
Minutes:
The item started at 16.28
NDM8678 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes
the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report, ‘Natural
Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2023-24’, laid on 21
May 2024.
Notes:
The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in
the Table Office on 25 September 2024. Natural Resources Wales responded on
2 July 2024.
The
motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Meeting: 18/07/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 6)
- Webcast for 18/07/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 18/07/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
6 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Response from the CEO of Natural Resources Wales to the Committee's report: Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2023-24., item 6
PDF 118 KB
- Response from the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs to the Committee's report: Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2023-24., item 6
PDF 132 KB
Meeting: 24/04/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 8)
- Webcast for 24/04/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 24/04/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
8 Consideration of draft report on Natural Resources Wales - 2023-24
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 94 , View reasons restricted (8/1)
Minutes:
8.1 Members agreed the draft report subject to a few minor amendments.
Meeting: 22/02/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 22/02/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 22/02/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 2)
- Webcast for 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
2 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Sir David Henshaw, Chair – Natural Resources Wales
Clare Pillman, Chief Executive – Natural Resources Wales
Prys Davies, Executive Director of Corporate Strategy and
Development – Natural Resources Wales
Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2022-2023 (PDF 1MB)
Supporting documents:
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 2
PDF 201 KB
- Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23 - Natural Resources Wales, item 2
PDF 88 KB
View as HTML (2/2) 12 KB
- Research brief - Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales , View reasons restricted (2/3)
Minutes:
2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives from Natural Resources Wales.
Meeting: 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 18/01/2024 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Consideration of evidence received under item 2
Minutes:
5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received under item 2.
Meeting: 04/10/2023 - Plenary (Item 6)
Debate on the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report - Natural Resources Wales: Annual Scrutiny 2022-23
NDM8367 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales)
To propose that the Senedd:
Notes the Climate Change, Environment and
Infrastructure Committee report: ‘Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny
2022-23’, laid
on 19 May 2023.
Note: The response
from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the
Table Office on 7 July 2023.
Supporting Documents
Minutes:
The item started at
16.01
NDM8367 Llyr
Gruffydd (North Wales)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes
the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report: ‘Natural
Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2022-23’, laid on 19 May 2023.
Notes:
The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 7
July 2023.
The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36.
Meeting: 20/09/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 20/09/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/09/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Natural Resources Wales: Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23
Supporting documents:
- Welsh Government response to the Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee Report on Natural Resources Wales: Scrutiny of Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23, item 4
PDF 156 KB
- Natural Resources Wales response to the report Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2022-23, item 4
PDF 246 KB
- Natural Resources Wales response to the report Natural Resources Wales - Annual Scrutiny 2022-23 (Annex 1), item 4
PDF 671 KB
Meeting: 11/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 6)
- Webcast for 11/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 11/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
6 Natural Resources Wales
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Meeting: 04/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 8)
- Webcast for 04/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 04/05/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
8 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales - consideration of the Committee's draft report
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 122 , View reasons restricted (8/1)
Minutes:
8.1 The Committee discussed and agreed its draft report subject to a few minor amendments.
Meeting: 26/04/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 26/04/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 26/04/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 29/03/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 8)
- Webcast for 29/03/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 29/03/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales - consideration of the Committee's draft report
Minutes:
8.1 The Committee agreed to carry over consideration of its draft report to the next meeting.
Meeting: 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 11)
- Webcast for 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
11 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Clare Pillman, Chief Executive – Natural Resources Wales
Ceri Davies, Executive Director for Evidence, Policy &
Permitting - Natural Resources Wales
Rachael Cunningham, Executive Director for Finance and Corporate Service - Natural Resources Wales
Natural Resources Wales Annual Report and Accounts 2021-2022
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 132 , View reasons restricted (11/1)
- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 11
PDF 376 KB
Minutes:
11.1 The Committee heard evidence from representatives of Natural Resources Wales.
Meeting: 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 12)
- Webcast for 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 09/02/2023 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales - consideration of evidence received under item 11
Minutes:
12.1 Members considered the evidence heard under item 11.
Meeting: 22/06/2022 - Plenary (Item 7)
Debate on the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report - Annual Report on Natural Resources Wales
NDM8032 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales)
To propose that the Senedd:
Notes the Climate Change, Environment and
Infrastructure Committee report: 'Annual Report on Natural Resources
Wales', laid
in Table Office on 23 March 2022.
Note: The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 15 June 2022.
Minutes:
The item started at 15.49
NDM8032 Llyr Gruffydd (North Wales)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes the
Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee report: 'Annual
Report on Natural Resources Wales', laid in Table
Office on 23 March 2022.
Note:
The response of the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table
Office on 15 June 2022.
The
motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.
Meeting: 26/05/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 26/05/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 26/05/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
5 Scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 17/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 17/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 17/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
5 Natural Resources Wales - culverts and ditches
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 6)
- Webcast for 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
6 Green Recovery Group
Supporting documents:
- Paper from Sir David Henshaw, Chair of Natural Resources Wales, and Chair of the Green Recovery Group following the Committee’s annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales at its meeting of 20 January 2022, item 6
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Meeting: 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 9)
- Webcast for 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 03/03/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
9 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales: consideration of the Committee's draft report
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 153 , View reasons restricted (9/1)
Minutes:
9.1 The Committee discussed and agreed its draft report, subject to a minor amendment.
Meeting: 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 5)
- Webcast for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
5 The Morlais project
Supporting documents:
Meeting: 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 8)
- Webcast for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales - consideration of evidence heard under item 4
Minutes:
8.1 Members considered the evidence heard under item 4.
Meeting: 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee (Item 4)
- Webcast for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
- Transcript for 20/01/2022 - Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
4 Annual scrutiny of Natural Resources Wales
Sir David Henshaw, Chair – Natural Resources Wales
Clare Pillman, Chief Executive – Natural Resources Wales
Ceri Davies, Executive Director for Evidence, Policy and Permitting – Natural Resources Wales
Supporting documents:
- Restricted enclosure 163 , View reasons restricted (4/1)
- Annual Report and Accounts 2020-21 - Natural Resources Wales, item 4
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- Paper - Natural Resources Wales, item 4
PDF 169 KB
Minutes:
4.1 The Committee heard evidence from Sir David Henshaw, Clare Pillman and Ceri Davies from Natural Resources Wales.