Meetings

No amendments tabled.

Supporting Documents
National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum

The item started at 17.03

All sections of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

Supporting Documents
Presiding Officer’s Statement

The item started at 17.04

A vote was taken on the motion:

The motion was agreed.

3.2  The Committee noted the letter.

Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services

Frances Duffy, Director, Primary Care and Health Science, Welsh Government

Sarah Tyler, Lawyer, Welsh Government

Paper 1 – Marshalled list of amendments

Paper 2 – Groupings of amendments

Paper 3 – Voting order for tabled amendments

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill, as introduced

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill – Explanatory Memorandum

2.1  Under standing order 17.24A, Dai Lloyd AM, Committee Chair declared an interest as a GP who has paid medical indemnity in the past whilst working as a doctor.

2.2  In accordance with standing order 26.21 the Committee considered and disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 1 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn with the Committee’s agreement.

Amendment 2 (Angela Burns) was withdrawn with the Committee’s agreement.

2.3  The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed.  As such Stage 2 proceedings have been completed.

NDM7189 - Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill.

The National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 14 October 2019;

The report of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee on the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 12 November 2019.

Supporting Documents
Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee Report
Finance Committee Report

The item started at 16.48

NDM7189 - Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill.

The National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 14 October 2019;

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

NDM7190 - Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The item started at 17.25

NDM7190 - Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

5.1  The Committee noted the letter.

7.1  The Committee agreed the report.

3.1  The Committee noted the letter.

3.2  The Committee noted the letter.

Paper 6 - Draft report

6.1     The Committee agreed the draft report.

CLA(5)-30-19 – Paper 27 – Draft report

The Committee considered and agreed (subject to minor changes) its draft report on the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill.  Members noted the report would be laid by the required deadline of 12 November 2019.

7.1     The Committee considered the evidence received.

Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services

Alex Slade, Deputy Director Primary Care Division , Welsh Government

Tim Edds, Lawyer, General Medical Services, Welsh Government

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

Research brief

6.1     The Committee received evidence from Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services; Alex Slade, Deputy Director Primary Care Division, Welsh Government; and Tim Edds, Lawyer, General Medical Services, Welsh Government.

Vaughan Gething AM, Minister for Health and Social Services

Frances Duffy, Director, Primary Care & Health Science, Welsh Government

Sarah Tyler, Lawyer, Welsh Government

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill – Explanatory Memorandum

Research brief

Paper 1 – British Medical Association Cymru

Paper 2 – Royal College of General Practitioners

Paper 2a – Health Education and Improvement Wales

3.1 Under Standing Order 17.24A, Dai Lloyd AM, Committee Chair declared an interest as a GP who has paid medical indemnity in the past. He confirmed that there is no specific interest at the moment as indemnity is now resolved on a practice level, and not on a personal level.

3.2 The Committee received evidence from the Minister for Health and Social Services.

3.3 The Minister for Health and Social Services agreed to provide additional information regarding asset transfers.

7.1 The Committee identified the key themes for inclusion in the draft report.

Mary-Lou Nesbitt, Head of Governmental & External Relations, Medical Defence Union

Dr Matthew Lee, Professional Services Director, Medical Defence Union

Emma Parfitt, Director of Advisory and Legal Services, Medical and Dental Defence Union of Scotland

David Sturgeon, Director of Development, Medical and Dental Defence Union of Scotland

Paper 3 – Medical Defence Union

Paper 4 – Medical Protection Society

Paper 4a – Medical and Dental Defence Union of Scotland

4.1 Under Standing Order 17.24A, Dai Lloyd AM, Committee Chair declared an interest.

4.2 The Committee received evidence from Medical Defence Organisations.

Vaughan Gething, Minister for Health and Social Services

Frances Duffy, Director, Primary Care & Health Science, Welsh Government

Sarah Tyler, Lawyer, Welsh Government

CLA(5)-29-19 – Briefing 1

CLA(5)-29-19 – Paper 1 – Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services to the Chair of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, 14 October 2019

National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

The Committee took evidence from the Minister for Health and Social Services.

The Committee considered the evidence and agreed to consider its draft report at a future meeting.

Supporting Documents
National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum

The item started at 16.41

Alex Slade, Deputy Director for Primary Care, Welsh Government

Ken Alexander, Head of GP Professional Indemnity, Welsh Government

Andrew Hobden, Economist, Welsh Government

Tim Edds, Lawyer, General Medical Services, Welsh Government

2.1     The Committee received a technical briefing from Welsh Government officials on the forthcoming National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill.

Business Managers agreed the timetable and noted the comments in the letter.

Frances Duffy, Director of Primary Care and Health Science, Welsh Government

Ken Alexander, Head of GP Professional Indemnity, Welsh Government

Dylan Hughes, First Legislative Counsel, Welsh Government

Sarah Tyler, Lawyer – Social Care, Welsh Government

The Committee received a briefing on the National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill.

Paper 5 – National Health Service (Indemnities) (Wales) Bill: Consideration of draft timetable

5.1 The Committee agreed the timetable for the Bill.

Business Managers agreed in principle to refer the Bill to the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee to consider its general principles, and to write to the committee to consult on the proposed timetable.