Meetings

Paper 2 – Cover paper

Paper 3 – Draft report

Paper 4 - Draft Bill

Paper 5 – Consultation document

5.1     The Committee approved the draft report and agreed to consult on the draft Bill.

Paper 2 – Consideration of proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Paper 3 - Draft report

8.1     The Committee considered the draft report and agreed to consider a revised report in due course.

Paper 3 - Consideration of proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013: Next steps

7.1 The Committee considered the key issues from all the evidence received on proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

Adrian Crompton, Auditor General for Wales

Isobel Everett, Chair of the Wales Audit Office

Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office

Steve O’Donoghue, Director of Finance, Wales Audit Office

Research brief

6.1 The Committee received evidence on proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013 from Adrian Crompton, Auditor General for Wales, Isobel Everett, Chair of Wales Audit Office, Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office and Steve O’Donoghue, Director of Finance, Wales Audit Office.

Siwan Davies, Director of Assembly Business

Matthew Richards, Head of Legal Services

Nia Morgan, Director of Finance

Bethan Davies, Clerk to the Finance Committee

Paper 2 – Letter from Suzy Davies AM, Commissioner for Budget and Governance – 27 June 2019

Research brief

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received on proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

11.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Rebecca Evans AM, Minister for Finance and Trefnydd

Gawain Evans, Finance Director

Paper 9 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Trefnydd - 27 June 2019

Research brief

10.1 The Committee took evidence from the Minister for Finance and Trefnydd on the proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

Huw Thomas, Director of Finance, Hywel Dda University Health Board

Lynne Hamilton, Director of Finance, Swansea Bay University Health Board

John Rae, Director of Resources, Welsh Local Government Association

Research brief

4.1 The Committee took evidence from Huw Thomas, Director of Finance, Hywel Dda University Health Board; Lynne Hamilton, Director of Finance, Swansea Bay University Health Board; and John Rae, Director of Resources, Welsh Local Government Association.

Alan Bermingham, Policy Manager, Governments, Chartered Institute for Public Finance and Accountancy

Paper 1 - Background briefing

Research brief

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Alan Bermingham, Policy Manager, Governments, Chartered Institute for Public Finance and Accountancy.

9.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Caroline Gardner, Auditor General for Scotland

Diane McGiffen, Chief Operating Officer, Audit Scotland

Paper 2 - Written evidence: Auditor General for Scotland

Research Brief

6.1 The Committee took evidence from Caroline Gardner, Auditor General for Scotland and Diane McGiffen, Chief Operating Officer, Audit Scotland.

Paper 1 - Consideration of proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Consultation booklet

1.1 The Committee agreed to the proposed witnesses for oral evidence sessions and agreed to write to the Minister for Finance and Trefnydd and the Assembly Commission, seeking additional information.

5.1 The Committee considered the scoping paper.

Paper 2 – Update on proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

6.1 The Committee agreed to undertake an inquiry, considering the case for amending the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

NDM6767 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2:

1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders: Standing Order 18 – Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013’, which was laid in the Table Office on 4 July 2018.

2. Approves the proposal to revise Standing Order 18, as set out in annex B of the report of the Business Committee.

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NDM6767 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 33.2:

1. Considers the report of the Business Committee, ‘Amending Standing Orders: Standing Order 18 – Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013’, which was laid in the Table Office on 4 July 2018.

2. Approves the proposal to revise Standing Order 18, as set out in annex B of the report of the Business Committee.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

8.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Huw Vaughan Thomas, Auditor General for Wales

Alison Gerrard, Board Member, Wales Audit Office

Steve O’Donoghue, Director of Finance, Wales Audit Office

Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office

Paper 5 – Letter from the Wales Audit Office to the Chair - The Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013 – 21 June 2018

Paper 6 – Proposals for a bill to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

Paper 7 – Draft Public Audit (Amendment) (Wales) Bill

5.1 The Committee took evidence from Huw Vaughan Thomas, Auditor General for Wales; Alison Gerrard, Board Member, Wales Audit Office; Steve O’Donoghue, Director of Finance, Wales Audit Office; and Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office on the consideration of proposals to amend the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Alison Gerrard, Board Member, Wales Audit Office

Anthony Barrett, Assistant Auditor General

Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office

Nicola Evans, Head of Finance, Wales Audit Office

Paper 1 – Wales Audit Office: The complex public audit fee regime in Wales – a case for change

Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Alison Gerrard, Board Member, Wales Audit Office; Anthony Barrett, Assistant Auditor General; Martin Peters, Head of Law and Ethics, Wales Audit Office; and Nicola Evans, Head of Finance, Wales Audit Office on the Public Audit (Wales) Act 2013 fee regime.