Meetings

NDM6899 Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill.

Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, as amended at Stage 3

The item started at 14.58

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM6899 Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate arise in the Bill.

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1.  Duty to provide funded childcare

4*, 4A*, 4B*, 20

2. Parental eligibility

6, 11, 8, 9, 17, 19, 10, 22, 5

3. Welsh language childcare provision

7

4. Transportation between providers

12

5. Additional charges and rates of payment

13, 21, 32, 33

6. Qualifying children

14, 15, 16, 18

7. Regulations to be made by Welsh Ministers

1, 3

8. Statutory instruments: changes to procedures

23

9. Categories of providers of funded childcare

24, 25

10. Administrative arrangements for the provision of funded childcare

26, 27, 28

11. Reviews of determinations and appeals to the First-tier Tribunal

29

12. Review and reports on the effect of the Act and sunset provision

30, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2, 35

13. Duty to promote awareness

31

14. Workforce planning

34

15. Commencement

36

Supporting Documents

Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Marshalled list of amendments
Groupings of Amendments

The item started at 16.59

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, the amendments were disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate arise in the Bill.

A vote was taken on amendment 4A:

Amendment 4A was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 4B:

Amendment 4B was not agreed.

Amendment 4 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 6:

Amendment 6 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 11:

Amendment 11 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 7:

Amendment 7 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 12:

Amendment 12 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 13:

Amendment 13 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 8:

Amendment 8 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 14:

Amendment 14 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 15:

Amendment 15 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 9:

Amendment 9 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 16:

Amendment 16 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 17:

Amendment 17 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 18:

Amendment 18 was not agreed.

Amendment 19 was not moved

Amendment 20 was not moved

A vote was taken on amendment 21:

Amendment 21 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 10:

Amendment 10 was not agreed.

Amendment 1 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 22:

Amendment 22 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 23:

Amendment 23 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 24:

Amendment 24 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 25:

Amendment 25 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 26:

Amendment 26 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 27:

Amendment 27 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 28:

Amendment 28 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 29:

Amendment 29 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 30:

Amendment 30 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2A:

Amendment 2A was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2B:

Amendment 2B was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2C:

Amendment 2C was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2D:

Amendment 2D was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2E:

Amendment 2E was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

Amendment 2 was agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 31:

Amendment 31 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 32:

Amendment 32 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 33:

Amendment 33 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 34:

Amendment 34 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 35:

Amendment 35 was not agreed.

Amendment 3 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 36:

Amendment 36 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 5:

Amendment 5 was not agreed.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

CLA(5)-28-18 – Paper 11 – Letter from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

CLA(5)-28-18 – Paper 11 – Annex

The Committee noted the letter.

Sioned Lewis, Director of ARAD Research

Stuart Harries, Director and Founding Member of ARAD Research

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director – Childcare, Play and Early Years Division, Welsh Government

Faye Gracey, Head of Policy Analysis for the Childcare Offer, Welsh Government

2.1 Under Standing Order 17.24 Suzy Davies AM declared that she used to run a Community Nursery.

2.2 The Committee received a briefing from officials the childcare offer evaluation.

CLA(5)-26-18 – Paper 11 - Letter from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care, 17 October 2018

The Committee noted the letter from the Minister.

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director – Childcare, Play and Early Years Division

Tracy Hull, Legal Services 

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be: Sections 1 to 13; Long title.

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings are available on the Bill page.

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 36 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 3 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 4A (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 4 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 5 (Llyr Gruffydd) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing 22.66(i)

Amendment 19 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 20 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 37 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 6 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 11 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

Amendment 21 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 12 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 14 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 15 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 16 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 7 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 17 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 38 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 39 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 18 (Huw Irranca-Davies)

Amendment 22 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 23 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 24 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 25 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 8 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 40 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 9 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 41 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 42 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 26 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 27 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 28 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 29 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 30 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 1 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 2 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 43 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 31 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 10 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 32 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 33 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 34 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 35 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

Amendment 44 (Suzy Davies)

Amendment 45 (Suzy Davies) was not moved.

Amendment 46 (Suzy Davies)

2.2 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.

2.3 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for clarity on who is registered to provide childcare.

CLA(5)-22-18 – Paper 12 – Letter from Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care, 17 September 2018

NDM6777 Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill

The Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 16 April 2018.

The report of Children, Young People and Education Committee on the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 17 July 2018.

Supporting Documents

Report of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee

Report of the Finance Committee

Response from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care to the Children, Young People and Education Committee’s Stage 1 Report

Letter from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care to the Constitutional & Legislative Affairs Committee

Letter from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care to the Finance Committee

The item started at 16.35

Voting on the motion was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM6777 Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill

The Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 16 April 2018

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

NDM6778 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The item started at 17.33

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM6778 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

CLA(5)-21-18 – Paper 25 – Letter to the Llywydd from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care, 10 July 2018

The Committee noted the letter to the Llywydd along with the letter received from the Minister earlier that day (circulated in hard copy) in response to the Committee’s recommendations. Members noted that the Stage 1 Plenary debate on the General Principles of the Bill is scheduled for the following day, 18 September. Members agreed that if the Minister’s further consideration of the Committee recommendations resulted in significant amendments being made to the Bill, the Committee may wish to consider the Bill at an appropriate point in time.

7.1 The Committee considered the draft report. The report would be laid on Wednesday 18^th July.

Paper 11 – Draft report

12.1     The Committee agreed the report.

12.2   Mark Reckless AM absented himself from this item.

3.1 The Committee agreed the first part of the draft report. The second part of the report would be considered at the next meeting.

6.1 The Committee discussed the key issues. The draft report would be considered at the next meeting.

CLA(5)-18-18 – Paper 13 – Draft Report

The Committee considered and agreed the draft report.

CLA(5)-17-18 – Paper 10 – Draft Report

CLA(5)-17-18 – Paper 11 – Letter from the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee

The Committee considered the draft report and agreed to consider a revised version at the next meeting.

Welsh Government

Huw Irranca – Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director - Childcare, Play and Early Years Division

Nicola Edwards, Head of Childcare Offer Development

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care.

2.2 The Minister agreed to provide a note on the status and funding of the 10 hours foundation phase support and the extent to which that is protected.

The Committee agreed to write to Flintshire County Council for further evidence on the Childcare Offer.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence they had heard during the session.

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director, Childcare, Play and Early Years Division, Welsh Government

Faye Gracey, Head of Policy Analysis, Welsh Government

Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care; Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director, Childcare, Play and Early Years Division, Welsh Government; and Faye Gracey, Head of Policy Analysis, Welsh Government on the Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence they had heard during the morning.

Welsh Local Government Association and Association of Directors of Education in Wales

Esther Thomas, Director of Education and Lifelong Learning, RCT County Borough Council - ADEW

Catrin Edwards, Head of Service Transformation  RCT County Borough Council – ADEW

Catherine Davies, Lifelong Learning Policy Officer (Children) – WLGA

Sarah Mutch, Education Lead for Early Years and Partnerships - Caerphilly County Borough Council

4.1 The Committee heard evidence from WLGA and ADEW.

4.2 They agreed to provide a note on the following:

How many local authorities give parents a choice between non-maintained and maintained settings for accessing the early years foundation phase entitlement.

The hourly rates local authorities are paying to maintained and non-maintained settings for providing the early years foundation phase entitlement.

Estyn

Claire Morgan, Strategic Director

Mererid Wyn Williams, Assistant Director

Jane Rees, HM Inspector

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from Estyn.

2.2 They agreed to provide clarification on whether the 35000 children within the cohort included both autumn and summer born children.

Care Inspectorate Wales and Social Care Wales

Gemma Halliday, Workforce Development Manager – Social Care Wales

Kevin Barker, Head of Childcare and Play Inspection – Care Inspectorate Wales

Gill Huws-John, Senior Manager Childcare and Play Inspection - Care Inspectorate Wales

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from CIW and SCW.

3.2 CIW agreed to share the detail of the results of the evaluation of the Estyn-CIW joint inspection framework pilot.

Chwarae Teg

Cerys Furlong, Chief Executive

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from Chwarae Teg.

3.2 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for further information on the ‘grace period’.

Cwlwm

Claire Protheroe, Direct Services Manager (Wales) - PACEY Cymru                 

Jane O’Toole, Chief Executive Officer - Clybiau Plant Cymru Kids Clubs      

Jane Alexander, Chief Executive Officer - Wales Pre-school Providers Association                                

Angharad Starr, Project Manager – Mudiad Meithrin             

Sandra Welsby, National Manager – National Days Nurseries Association (NDNA) Cymru                                         

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from Cwlwm.

2.2 Cwlwm agreed to provide a list of local authority charges for Foundation Phase Childcare.

HM Revenue & Customs

Phil Mattacks, Tax Free Childcare Design Engagement & Rollout Team, Transformation

4.1 The Committee heard evidence from HM Revenue & Customs.

4.2 HMRC agreed to provide information on customer satisfaction rates in relation to the HMRC online portal and childcare offer/tax-free credit arrangements.

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence heard during the morning.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence they had heard.

Sally Holland, Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Rachel Thomas, Head of Policy and Public Affairs, Office of the Children’s Commissioner for Wales

3.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Children’s Commissioner.

Welsh Government

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children and Social Care

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director - Childcare, Play and Early Years Division

Tracy Hull, Lawyer - Social Care Team

2.1 The Committee heard evidence from the Minister for Children and Social Care.

2.2 The Minister agreed to provide the following:
A note on the family incomes of those accessing childcare support under the current pilot;

A copy of guidance for Early Implementer Local Authorities.

The Committee considered the evidence received.

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children and Social Care;

Owain Lloyd, Welsh Government;

Tracey Hull, Welsh Government

CLA(5)-14-18 – Briefing

Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill, as introduced (PDF 79KB)

Explanatory Memorandum (PDF 1MB)

Statement of Policy Intent (PDF 229KB)

The Committee took evidence from the Member in Charge of the Bill.

5.1 The Committee agreed the approach to the Bill.

6.1 The Committee considered the timetable.