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NDM6549 - Plaid Cymru debate
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Meeting: 25/10/2017 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd (Item 8)
Plaid Cymru debate
NDM6549 Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)
To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales:
1.
Expresses concern about the roll out of universal credit.
2.
Believes that administrative control over welfare should be devolved so that
the Welsh Government can alter the frequency of payments, end the culture of
sanctions, and ensure payments to individuals not households.
The following amendments
have been tabled:
Amendment 1. Paul
Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)
Delete
all and replace with:
To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales:
1.
Acknowledges concern about the roll-out of universal credit.
2.
Welcomes the principles behind universal credit, which are to give people a
helping hand into work, and notes that when the Centre for Social Justice
envisaged universal credit it found that most people claiming benefits wanted to
work but were held back by a system that did not incentivise employment.
[If amendment 1 is agreed,
amendment 2 will be de-selected]
Amendment 2. Jane
Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)
Delete
point 2 and insert new points:
Notes
the devastating impact on vulnerable families of anxiety, debt, homelessness
and mental ill-health caused by the roll-out of universal credit which is
putting significant pressure on devolved public services.
Believes
that it is an important founding principle of the welfare state that risks
should be shared equitably across society and that control over welfare costs,
payments and administration should therefore be undertaken at a UK level.
Calls
on the UK Government to reverse its damaging cuts to welfare, to pause the
universal credit roll-out and address the fundamental concerns being raised.
Minutes:
The item started at
17.28
Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.
A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment:
NDM6549
Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)
To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales:
1.
Expresses concern about the roll out of universal credit.
2.
Believes that administrative control over welfare should be devolved so that
the Welsh Government can alter the frequency of payments, end the culture of
sanctions, and ensure payments to individuals not households.
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
9 |
0 |
44 |
53 |
The
motion without amendment was not agreed.
The
following amendments were tabled:
Amendment 1. Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)
Delete all and
replace with:
To propose that the
National Assembly for Wales:
1. Acknowledges
concern about the roll-out of universal credit.
2. Welcomes the
principles behind universal credit, which are to give people a helping hand
into work, and notes that when the Centre for Social Justice envisaged
universal credit it found that most people claiming benefits wanted to work but
were held back by a system that did not incentivise employment.
A vote was taken on
amendment 1:
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
17 |
0 |
36 |
53 |
Amendment
1 was not agreed.
Amendment 2. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)
Delete point 2 and
insert new points:
Notes the
devastating impact on vulnerable families of anxiety, debt, homelessness and
mental ill-health caused by the roll-out of universal credit which is putting
significant pressure on devolved public services.
Believes that it is
an important founding principle of the welfare state that risks should be
shared equitably across society and that control over welfare costs, payments
and administration should therefore be undertaken at a UK level.
Calls on the UK
Government to reverse its damaging cuts to welfare, to pause the universal
credit roll-out and address the fundamental concerns being raised.
A vote was taken on
amendment 2:
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
32 |
0 |
21 |
53 |
Amendment
2 was agreed.
A
vote was taken on the motion as amended:
NDM6549
Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)
To
propose that the National Assembly for Wales:
1.
Expresses concern about the roll out of universal credit.
2.
Notes the devastating impact on vulnerable
families of anxiety, debt, homelessness and mental ill-health caused by the
roll-out of universal credit which is putting significant pressure on devolved
public services.
3. Believes that it
is an important founding principle of the welfare state that risks should be
shared equitably across society and that control over welfare costs, payments
and administration should therefore be undertaken at a UK level.
4. Calls on the UK
Government to reverse its damaging cuts to welfare, to pause the universal
credit roll-out and address the fundamental concerns being raised.
For |
Abstain |
Against |
Total |
32 |
0 |
21 |
53 |
The
motion as amended was agreed.