Meetings

Anna Adams, Deputy Director, Head of Tax Strategy, Policy and Engagement

Matthew Jenkins, Deputy Director, Partnership and Cooperation Division

Gareth Griffiths, Paying for Care, Partnership and Cooperation Division

Paper 1 – Draft report

2.1 The Committee agreed the draft report with minor changes.

Paper 4 – Draft report

7.1 The Committee considered the draft report and agreed to consider a revised version at the next meeting.

Paper 3 – Key issues

6.1 The Committee discussed the key issues. The draft report will be considered at the next meeting.

Gerald Holtham, Hodge Professor of Regional Economics

Paying for social care: An independent report by Professor Gerald Holtham

4.1 The Committee took evidence from Professor Gerald Holtham on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Mark Drakeford AM, Cabinet Secretary for Finance

Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis

Georgina Haarhoff, Head of Tax Strategy, Policy and Engagement

Paper 1 – Written evidence: Cabinet Secretary for Finance

Paper 2 – Letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Finance: Professor Gerald Holtham’s report ‘Paying for Social Care’ – 28 June 2018

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Mark Drakeford AM, Cabinet Secretary for Finance; Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis; and Georgina Haarhoff, Head of Tax Strategy, Policy and Engagement on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

3.2 The Cabinet Secretary agreed to share details of the five distinct work streams and the terms of reference for the inter-Ministerial group on Paying for Social Care.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

Albert Heaney, Director of Social Services and Integration

Judith Cole, Deputy Director, Local Government Finance Policy, Workforce and Social Partnerships Division

Paper 1 - Written evidence submitted by the Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care; Albert Heaney, Director of Social Services and Integration; and Judith Cole, Deputy Director, Local Government Finance Policy, Workforce and Social Partnerships Division on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Sarah Rochira, Older People’s Commissioner for Wales 

Paper 2 - Older People's Commissioner for Wales: Written evidence 

4.1 The Committee took evidence from Sarah Rochira, Older People’s Commissioner for Wales on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

4.2 The Commissioner agreed to write to the Committee with further details on the cost pressures facing social services.

Councillor Huw David, WLGA Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Leader of Bridgend County Borough Council 

Councillor Susan Elsmore, WLGA Deputy Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Cabinet Member for Social Care and Health, Cardiff Council 

Dave Street, President, Association of Directors of Social Services Cymru 

Paper 1 – WLGA and ADSS Cymru: Written evidence 

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Councillor Huw David, WLGA Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Leader of Bridgend County Borough Council; Councillor Susan Elsmore, WLGA Deputy Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Cabinet Member for Social Care and Health, Cardiff Council; and Dave Street, President, Association of Directors of Social Services Cymru on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Sarah Rochira, Older People’s Commissioner for Wales

Paper 4 – Written evidence: Older People’s Commissioner for Wales

4.1 Apologies were received from Sarah Rochira, Older People’s Commissioner for Wales. The evidence session will be rescheduled for a future meeting.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Mary Wimbury, Chief Executive, Care Forum Wales

Mario Kreft, Chair, Care Forum Wales

Sanjiv Joshi, Board Member, Care Forum Wales

Paper 3 – Written evidence: Care Forum Wales

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Mary Wimbury, Chief Executive, Care Forum Wales; Mario Kreft, Chair, Care Forum Wales; and Sanjiv Joshi, Board Member, Care Forum Wales on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

3.2 Care Forum Wales agreed to provide a copy of a recent Knight Frank report.

Victoria Lloyd, Interim CEO, Age Cymru

Kate Cubbage, Senior External Affairs Manager, Carers Trust Wales

Paper 1 – Written evidence: Age Cymru

Paper 2 – Written evidence: Carers Trust Wales

2.1 The Committee took evidence from Victoria Lloyd, Interim CEO, Age Cymru; and Kate Cubbage, Senior External Affairs Manager, Carers Trust Wales on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

2.2 Carers Trust Wales agreed to provide further details on:

·         the changes to commissioning services resulting from greater complexities of need; and

·         the loss of respite beds.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Dr Daria Luchinskaya, Wales Public Services 2025

Joseph Ogle, Wales Public Services 2025

Paper 3 – Wales Public Services 2025: Written evidence

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Joseph Ogle, Wales Public Services 2025 on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Vanessa Young, Director, Welsh NHS Confederation

Carol Shillabeer, Chief Executive of Powys Teaching Health Board

Gerry Evans, Deputy Chief Executive, Social Care Wales

Paper 1 – Welsh NHS Confederation: Written evidence

Paper 2 – Social Care Wales: Written evidence

2.1 The Committee took evidence from Vanessa Young, Director, Welsh NHS Confederation; Carol Shillabeer, Chief Executive of Powys Teaching Health Board; and Gerry Evans, Deputy Chief Executive, Social Care Wales on its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Paper 5 – Summary of consultation responses

Consultation Pack

6.1 The Committee considered the written evidence received.

Councillor Huw David, WLGA Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Leader of Bridgend County Borough Council

Councillor Susan Elsmore, WLGA Deputy Spokesperson for Health and Social Care and Cabinet Member for Social Care and Health, Cardiff Council

Dave Street, President, Association of Directors of Social Services Cymru

Paper 6 – Written evidence: Welsh Local Government Association / Association of Directors of Social Services Cymru

7.1 This item was postponed due to the adverse weather conditions. The Committee agreed to rearrange the evidence session.

4.1a The Committee noted the letter from the Chair of the Finance Committee in relation to the Finance Committee’s inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Paper 3 – Approach to scrutiny

Paper 4 - Terms of reference

6.1 The Committee agreed its approach to its inquiry into the cost of caring for an ageing population.

Paper 2 – Inquiry scoping paper: The cost of caring for an ageing population

6.1 The Committee considered a scoping paper on the cost of caring for an ageing population and agreed to undertake an inquiry.