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NDM6140 Welsh Conservatives debate

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Meeting: 16/11/2016 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd (Item 6)

Welsh Conservatives debate

NDM6140 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Recognises the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh society by older people.

2. Believes that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as independence and the freedom to make decisions about their own lives.

3. Regrets the Welsh Government's failure to provide security for older people by setting a cap on costs and protecting £100,000 of assets for those in residential care ensuring people do not lose their life savings and homes to care costs.

4. Notes the findings from a dementia report produced by the Older People's Commissioner for Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with dementia have in accessing the information, support, and services that can make a big difference to their lives.

5. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) Introduce an Older People's Rights Bill, to extend and promote the rights of older people;

b) Place a duty on public sector bodies to consult older people when making decisions which affect their lives; and

c) Make Wales the first dementia-friendly nation in the UK.

'Dementia Report'

The following amendments have been tabled:

Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 3 and replace with:

Notes the Welsh Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to £50,000, which will enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets when entering residential care.

Amendment 2. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets the ongoing delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for paying for care.

Amendment 3. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 5 and replace with:

Notes that:

a) the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales has suggested an Older People’s Rights Bill for Wales;

b) the Welsh Government supports the principles of a Bill;

c) the Welsh Government will take further action to make Wales a dementia friendly country through developing and implementing a new national dementia plan.

[If amendment 3 is agreed, amendments 4, 5, 6 and 7 will be de-selected]

Amendment 4. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

Delete sub-point 5a), and replace with:

‘supports the work of the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales in working towards extending and promoting the rights of older people;’

Amendment 5. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

Delete sub-point 5b) and replace with:

‘supports the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales in ensuring the voices of older people are heard in relation to the planning of public services;’

Amendment 6. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

Add as new sub-point at end of point 5:

‘build more supported housing to broaden choice and compliment residential and institutional care.’

Amendment 7. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

Add as new sub-point at end of point 5:

‘work with police and crime commissioners and local authorities to protect older people from scams, mis-selling and other forms of financial exploitation.’

Minutes:

The item started at 15.30

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM6140 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Recognises the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh society by older people.

2. Believes that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as independence and the freedom to make decisions about their own lives.

3. Regrets the Welsh Government's failure to provide security for older people by setting a cap on costs and protecting £100,000 of assets for those in residential care ensuring people do not lose their life savings and homes to care costs.

4. Notes the findings from a dementia report produced by the Older People's Commissioner for Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with dementia have in accessing the information, support, and services that can make a big difference to their lives.

5. Calls on the Welsh Government to:

a) Introduce an Older People's Rights Bill, to extend and promote the rights of older people;

b) Place a duty on public sector bodies to consult older people when making decisions which affect their lives; and

c) Make Wales the first dementia-friendly nation in the UK.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

16

0

30

46

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 3 and replace with:

Notes the Welsh Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to £50,000, which will enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets when entering residential care.

A vote was taken on Amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

25

0

21

46

Amendment 1 was agreed.

Amendment 2. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Add as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets the ongoing delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for paying for care.

A vote was taken on Amendment 2:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

25

4

17

46

Amendment 2 was agreed.

Amendment 3. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

Delete point 5 and replace with:

Notes that:

a) the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales has suggested an Older People’s Rights Bill for Wales;

b) the Welsh Government supports the principles of a Bill;

c) the Welsh Government will take further action to make Wales a dementia friendly country through developing and implementing a new national dementia plan.

A vote was taken on Amendment 3:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

25

0

21

46

Amendment 3 was agreed.

As Amendment 3 was agreed, Amendments 4, 5, 6 and 7 were de-selected

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

NDM6140 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Recognises the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh society by older people.

2. Believes that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as independence and the freedom to make decisions about their own lives.

3. Notes the Welsh Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to £50,000, which will enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets when entering residential care.

4. Regrets the ongoing delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for paying for care.

5. Notes the findings from a dementia report produced by the Older People's Commissioner for Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with dementia have in accessing the information, support, and services that can make a big difference to their lives.

6. Notes that:

a) the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales has suggested an Older People’s Rights Bill for Wales;

b) the Welsh Government supports the principles of a Bill;

c) the Welsh Government will take further action to make Wales a dementia friendly country through developing and implementing a new national dementia plan.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

32

4

10

46

The motion as amended was agreed.