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Transcript: Transcript for 25/10/2023 - Plenary
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This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some
Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Climate Change The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople
to ask questions without notice to the Minister after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at
13.30 The first 10
questions were asked. Question 1, 2 and 10 were answered by the Deputy Minister
for Climate Change. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask
questions to the Minister and Deputy Minister after question 2. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Education and Welsh Language The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople
to ask questions without notice to the Minister after Question 2. Minutes: The item started at
14.22 The first 10
questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask
questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(20 mins) |
Topical Questions To
ask the Minister for Climate Change Jack Sargeant (Alyn and
Deeside): Will the Minister make a statement on how the Welsh Government
will work with partners to support communities following the impact of Storm
Babet? Jane Dodds (Mid and West
Wales): What steps is the Minister taking to ensure that Dŵr Cymru
complies with its operational permit conditions following concerns over
compliance against their discharge permits? Minutes: The item started at
15.08 Answered by the
Minister for Climate Change Jack Sargeant (Alyn and
Deeside): Will the Minister make a statement on how the
Welsh Government will work with partners to support communities following the
impact of Storm Babet? Jane Dodds (Mid and West
Wales): What steps is the Minister taking to ensure that
Dŵr Cymru complies with its operational permit conditions following
concerns over compliance against their discharge permits? |
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(5 mins) |
90 Second Statements Minutes: The
item started at 15.52 Alun
Davies
made a statement on - Unveiling of a statue of Roy Francis in Brynmawr (21
October). Delyth
Jewell made
a statement on - Newport Rising Festival (4 November). Jayne
Bryant
made a statement on - Dwarfism Awareness Day (25 October). |
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(60 mins) |
Member Debate under Standing Order 11.21(iv) - The Holodomor NDM8381 Alun Davies (Blaenau Gwent) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Believes that the Holodomor was a
predetermined crime committed and led by Stalin and the Soviet Government
against the people of Ukraine. 2. Regards the Holodomor as an act of
genocide. 3. Notes the crucial role of Welsh
journalist Gareth Jones in bringing the cruelty of the Holodomor to the
attention of the world. 4. Continues to stand with the people of
the Ukraine as they face Putin's illegal war. Co-submitters Minutes: The item started at
15.57 NDM8381 Alun Davies (Blaenau
Gwent) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Believes that the Holodomor was a
predetermined crime committed and led by Stalin and the Soviet Government
against the people of Ukraine. 2. Regards the Holodomor as an act of
genocide. 3. Notes the crucial role of Welsh journalist
Gareth Jones in bringing the cruelty of the Holodomor to the attention of the
world. 4. Continues to stand with the people of the
Ukraine as they face Putin's illegal war. Co-submitters Heledd Fychan (South
Wales Central) The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives Debate - A&E department performance data NDM8390 Darren Millar (Clwyd West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes the importance of meaningful and
transparent data in improving care and patient safety. 2. Regrets the findings by the Royal
College of Emergency Medicine that headline emergency department performance
data have not been accurately reported for more than a decade. 3. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) routinely publish pre-exemption figures
for Welsh emergency departments to better understand performance and to inform
decision making; b) explain why the performance data in
responses provided by Welsh local health boards to the Royal College of
Emergency Medicine under the Freedom of Information Act and emergency
department performance data published by the Welsh Government appears to be
different; and c) commission an
independent review of published data to ensure that they are comparable between
the UK nations. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all after point 1 and replace with: Notes the assurance from health boards that
emergency department data have been reported in line with Welsh Government
guidance. Notes that the independent Office for
Statistics Regulation has welcomed the steps the Welsh Government has taken to
provide assurance on the quality of the statistics. Notes that, based on compliance by health
boards with the guidance we have in Wales, Welsh statistics for major emergency
departments are considered comparable to the statistics for England’s Type 1
accident and emergency departments. Further notes that work is ongoing in
partnership with service users and clinicians to review the way we measure the
quality of care in emergency departments. If amendment 1 is agreed, amendments 2 and
3 will be de-selected. Amendment 2 Heledd
Fychan (South Wales Central) Add as new points after point 2 and
renumber accordingly: Notes that 82 per cent of clinical leads
and consultants surveyed by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine have a
negative view of the breach exemptions policy. Regrets that accident and emergency waiting
times have worsened since the policy was introduced over ten years ago. Believes that the policy compromises the
ability of emergency services to plan and manage their resources effectively. Amendment 3 Heledd
Fychan (South Wales Central) In point 3, delete sub-point b) and replace with: rescind the breach exemptions policy in line with the wishes of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. Minutes: The item started at 16.22 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM8390 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes the importance of meaningful and
transparent data in improving care and patient safety. 2. Regrets the findings by the Royal College
of Emergency Medicine that headline emergency department performance data have
not been accurately reported for more than a decade. 3. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) routinely publish pre-exemption figures
for Welsh emergency departments to better understand performance and to inform
decision making; b) explain why the performance data in
responses provided by Welsh local health boards to the Royal College of
Emergency Medicine under the Freedom of Information Act and emergency
department performance data published by the Welsh Government appears to be
different; and c) commission an independent review of
published data to ensure that they are comparable between the UK nations.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all after point 1 and replace with: Notes the assurance from health boards that
emergency department data have been reported in line with Welsh Government
guidance. Notes that the independent Office for
Statistics Regulation has welcomed the steps the Welsh Government has taken to
provide assurance on the quality of the statistics. Notes that, based on compliance by health
boards with the guidance we have in Wales, Welsh statistics for major emergency
departments are considered comparable to the statistics for England’s Type 1
accident and emergency departments. Further notes that work is ongoing in
partnership with service users and clinicians to review the way we measure the
quality of care in emergency departments. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment.
Therefore, the amendment was not agreed. Amendment 2 Heledd
Fychan (South Wales Central) Add as new points after point 2 and renumber
accordingly: Notes that 82 per cent of clinical leads and
consultants surveyed by the Royal College of Emergency Medicine have a negative
view of the breach exemptions policy. Regrets that accident and emergency waiting
times have worsened since the policy was introduced over ten years ago. Believes that the policy compromises the
ability of emergency services to plan and manage their resources effectively. A vote was taken on amendment 2:
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment.
Therefore, the amendment was not agreed. Amendment 3 Heledd Fychan (South
Wales Central) In point 3, delete sub-point
b) and replace with: rescind the breach exemptions policy in line with the
wishes of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine. A vote was taken on amendment 3:
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment.
Therefore, the amendment was not agreed. As
the Senedd did not agree the motion without amendment, and did not agree the
amendments tabled to the motion, the motion was therefore not agreed. |
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Plaid Cymru Debate - Transport for Wales NDM8389 Heledd Fychan (South Wales
Central) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that it is five years since
Transport for Wales took over the all-Wales rail franchise from Arriva Trains
Wales. 2. Regrets that: a) train service provision across Wales
remains unacceptably unreliable and expensive, with only 57 per cent of
services arriving on time between April and June 2023; b) only 29 per cent of journeys are
currently being undertaken on new trains, well below the 95 per cent target set
by the Welsh Government for 2023; and c) Transport for Wales has the lowest
customer satisfaction ratings of all major UK rail operators. 3. Calls on the
Welsh Government to ensure Transport for Wales delivers on the commitments
made, and secure improvements in terms of punctuality and the upgrading of the
stock, as well as planning for adequate services to coincide with major events
in Wales. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete points 2 and 3 and replace with: Acknowledges the impact on passengers of
recent poor rail performance, with challenges including ageing and unreliable
trains, industrial action in UK Government controlled companies, and the
ongoing financial pressures caused by COVID and inflation. Welcomes the stabilisation of train
performance delivered by Transport for Wales since August. Welcomes the £1.1 billion investment in the
core Valley lines and the £900 million investment in rolling stock across the
Wales and borders network. Looks forward to the step change for
passengers as new rolling stock is introduced for 95 per cent of journeys by
2024, in line with the Programme for Government commitment. Amendment 2 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to publish the business case from Transport for Wales to justify the £125 million of additional funding being provided to the company in the current financial year. Minutes: The item started at 17.18 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM8389 Heledd
Fychan (South Wales Central) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that it is five years since
Transport for Wales took over the all-Wales rail franchise from Arriva Trains
Wales. 2. Regrets that: a) train service provision across Wales
remains unacceptably unreliable and expensive, with only 57 per cent of
services arriving on time between April and June 2023; b) only 29 per cent of journeys are currently
being undertaken on new trains, well below the 95 per cent target set by the
Welsh Government for 2023; and c) Transport for Wales has the lowest
customer satisfaction ratings of all major UK rail operators. 3. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure
Transport for Wales delivers on the commitments made, and secure improvements
in terms of punctuality and the upgrading of the stock, as well as planning for
adequate services to coincide with major events in Wales.
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the motion.
Therefore, the motion was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete points 2 and 3 and replace with: Acknowledges the impact on passengers of
recent poor rail performance, with challenges including ageing and unreliable
trains, industrial action in UK Government controlled companies, and the
ongoing financial pressures caused by COVID and inflation. Welcomes the stabilisation of train
performance delivered by Transport for Wales since August. Welcomes the £1.1 billion investment in the
core Valley lines and the £900 million investment in rolling stock across the
Wales and borders network. Looks forward to the step change for
passengers as new rolling stock is introduced for 95 per cent of journeys by
2024, in line with the Programme for Government commitment. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment.
Therefore, the amendment was not agreed. Amendment 2 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to publish the
business case from Transport for Wales to justify the £125 million of
additional funding being provided to the company in the current financial year. A vote was taken on amendment 2:
As required by Standing Order 6.20 the
Presiding Officer exercised her casting vote by voting against the amendment.
Therefore, the amendment was not agreed. As
the Senedd did not agree the motion without amendment, and did not agree the
amendments tabled to the motion, the motion was therefore not agreed. |
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Voting Time Minutes: The
item started at 18.22 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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Short Debate NDM8388 Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) Stroke awareness and the FAST/NESA campaign Minutes: The
item started at 18.29 NDM8388 Huw
Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) Stroke
awareness and the FAST/NESA campaign |