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Transcript: Transcript for 07/10/2019 - Public Accounts Committee - Fifth Senedd

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1 The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting. There were no apologies.



Paper(s) to note


2.1 The Committee considered and noted the Welsh Government’s response and agreed to request a comprehensive update on progress made against the recommendations in July 2020.


Primary care out-of-hours services: Consideration of the Welsh Government Response to the Committee's Report

PAC(5)-24-19 Paper 1 – Welsh Government Response

Supporting documents:

(13.15 - 14.45)


Scrutiny of Accounts 2018-19: Welsh Government - General scrutiny of accounts

Research Briefing

PAC(5)-24-19 Paper 2 – Welsh Government Consolidated Accounts 2018-19

PAC(5)-24-19 Paper 3 – Recommendations contained in the Committee’s Report on the 2017-18 Annual Report and Accounts

PAC(5)-24-19 Paper 4 – Letter from the Permanent Secretary to the Accounting Officers of the Welsh Government’s Arm’s Length Bodies and Commissioners in Wales (16 September 2019)

PAC(5)-24-19 Paper 5 – Letter from the Permanent Secretary – Update on Response to Recommendations (27 September 2019)


Shan Morgan - Permanent Secretary, Welsh Government

Gawain Evans - Director of Finance, Welsh Government

Peter Kennedy - HR Director, Welsh Government

David Richards - Director of Governance and Ethics, Welsh Government


Supporting documents:


3.1 The Committee received evidence from Shan Morgan - Permanent Secretary, Gawain Evans - Director of Finance, Peter Kennedy - HR Director and David Richards - Director of Governance and Ethics, Welsh Government on the scrutiny of the Welsh Government’s Consolidated Accounts 2018-19.


2.2 The Permanent Secretary agreed to:

·         Send a note regarding the Welsh Government’s Non-Executive Directors being able to take on additional roles in addition to their agreed terms;

·         Advise of additional payments made to Non-Executive Directors made in the 2018-19 financial year;

·         Provide more information on loans and investments awarded during the 2018-19 financial year; and

·         Send a note on the underspend which occurred in the capital budget for Gypsies and Travellers.




Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting.


4.1 The motion was agreed.

(14.45 - 15.15)


Scrutiny of Accounts: Consideration of evidence received


5.1 Members considered the evidence received.