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Transcript: Transcript for 18/02/2019 - Public Accounts Committee - Fifth Senedd

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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1        The Chair welcomed Members to the Committee.

1.2        Apologies were received from Jenny Rathbone AM.



Paper(s) to note


2.1 The papers were noted.


Audit of Cardiff and Vale University Health Board’s Contractual Relationships with RKC Associates Ltd and its Owner: Correspondence from Maria Battle, Board Chair (6 February 2019)

Supporting documents:

(13.50 - 15.20)


Public Procurement - Next Steps: Evidence session with the Welsh Government

Research Briefing

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 1 – Welsh Government paper on the Review of the National Procurement Services and Value Wales

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 2 – Response from the Future Generations Commissioner

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 3 – Response from NHS Wales Shared Services Partnership

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 4 – Response from Dr Jane Lynch, Cardiff University

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 5 – Response from the Welsh Local Government Association

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 6 – Response from Higher Education Purchasing Consortium Wales

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 7 – Response from Cardiff Council


Andrew Slade – Director General, Economy, Skills & Natural Resources Group, Welsh Government

Marion Stapleton – Deputy Director, Cross Cutting Services Strategy team, Welsh Government

Jonathan Hopkins - Deputy Director Commercial & Procurement, Welsh Government


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3.1 Members received evidence from Andrew Slade, Director General, Economy, Skills & Natural Resources Group; Marion Stapleton, Deputy Director, Cross Cutting Services Strategy Team, and Jonathan Hopkins, Deputy Director Commercial & Procurement from the Welsh Government as part of their inquiry into Public Procurement.

3.2 Andrew Slade agreed to advise the Committee of the costs incurred which are not recoverable (sunk costs) for the creation and maintenance of the NPS, including all advice and investments undertaken by the Welsh Government, together with IT and staff costs.



Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

Items 5, 6 & 7


4.1 The motion was agreed.

(15.20 - 15.45)


Public Procurement - Next Steps: Consideration of evidence received


5.1 Members considered the evidence received.

(15.45 - 16.30)


Scrutiny of Accounts 2017-18: Consideration of draft Report

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 8 – Draft Report

Supporting documents:


6.1 Members considered and agreed the draft report, subject to a small number of amendments which would be circulated by email.



Auditor General for Wales Report: Preparing for Brexit

PAC(5)-05-19 Paper 9 – Auditor General for Wales Report


Supporting documents:


7.1 Members noted the report, which is scheduled to be published on 19 February and noted that it would be considered by the External Affairs and Additional Legislation Committee.