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3.3 The Committee noted the letter.

NDM6746 Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

Supporting document

Presiding Officer’s Statement - Section 111A(3) of the Government of Wales Act 2006 - Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

The item started at 17.23

In accordance with Standing Order 26.67, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services made a statement that he had it in command from Her Majesty the Queen and the Duke of Cornwall to acquaint the Assembly that, having been informed of the purport of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, both have given their consent to the Bill.

In accordance with Standing Order 26.50C a recorded vote must be taken on Stage 4 motions therefore voting on this motion was deferred to voting time.

NDM6746 Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

The amendments will be disposed of in the order that the sections and schedules to which they relate were set out in the motion under Standing Order 26.36 as agreed by the Assembly on 5 June 2018.

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1. Regulations being made under section 1

4, 1, 3

2. Report on operation and effect of the Act

2, 5

3. Limitation of profit making opportunities

6

4. Promoting public awareness of minimum pricing for alcohol

7, 8

Supporting Documents:

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

Marshalled List of Amendments

Groupings of Amendments

The item started at 16.31.

A vote was taken on amendment 4:

Amendment 4 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 2:

Amendment 2 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 5:

Amendment 5 was agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 6:

Amendment 6 was not agreed.

Amendment 3 was not moved.

A vote was taken on amendment 7:

Amendment 7 was agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 8:

Amendment 8 was agreed.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

NDM6732 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) Sections 1 to 9;
b) Schedule 1;
c) Sections 10 to 29;
d) Long title.

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

The item started at 18.38

NDM6732 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) Sections 1 to 9;

b) Schedule 1;

c) Sections 10 to 29;

d) Long title.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services

Joanna Jordan, Director of Mental Health, NHS Governance and Corporate Services, Welsh Government

Bethan Roberts, Legal Services Department, Welsh Government

The Health, Social Care and Sport Committee agreed on 15 March 2018, under Standing Order 26.21, that the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be: Sections 1 to 9; Schedule 1; Sections 10 to 29; Long title

Paper 1 – Marshalled list of Amendments

Paper 2 – Groupings of amendments

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 1 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 2 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 3 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 15 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 4 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 16 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

Amendment 5 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 6 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 7 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 17 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 8 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 18 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 9 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 10 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 19 (Rhun ap Iorwerth)

Amendment 11 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 12 (Angela Burns)

Amendment 20 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) fell.

Amendment 13 (Angela Burns) fell.

Amendment 21 (Rhun ap Iorwerth) fell.

Amendment 14 (Angela Burns) was not moved.

6.1 The Committee noted the update on Stage 2 procedures in advance of the Committee’s Stage 2 consideration of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill at next week’s meeting.

Paper 7

6.1a The Committee noted the letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services in relation to the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

CLA(5)-11-18 – Paper 19 - Letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services: Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

The Committee noted the letter from the Cabinet Secretary.

Paper 1 – Order of consideration

1.1 The Committee noted the procedures for Stage 2 of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill and agreed an approach for the order of consideration of amendments.

NDM6684 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The item started at 18.07

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM6684 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The result was as follows:

The motion was agreed.

NDM6683 Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

The Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 23 October 2017.

The report of Health, Social Care and Sport Committee on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 5 March 2018.

The following amendment has been tabled:

NDM6683 Neil Hamilton (Mid and West Wales)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Regrets that the Bill will not produce the desired positive health outcomes for the people of Wales and could have a detrimental impact on vulnerable sections of our communities.

Supporting Document
Report of the Finance Committee
Report of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee

The item started at 17.01

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM6683 Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

The Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 23 October 2017.

The report of Health, Social Care and Sport Committee on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 5 March 2018.

The following amendment was tabled:

NDM6683 Neil Hamilton (Mid and West Wales)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Regrets that the Bill will not produce the desired positive health outcomes for the people of Wales and could have a detrimental impact on vulnerable sections of our communities

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion:

NDM6683 Vaughan Gething (Cardiff South and Penarth)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

The Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 23 October 2017.

The report of Health, Social Care and Sport Committee on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 5 March 2018.

The motion was agreed.

CLA(5)-07-18 – Paper 16 – Draft report

The Committee considered the draft report.

2.1 The Committee considered its draft report.

4.1a The Committee noted the evidence from South Wales Police in relation to the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

Paper 2 – Draft report

6.1 The Committee considered and agreed its draft report with minor changes.

CLA(5)-06-18 – Paper 8 - Draft report

CLA(5)-06-18 – Paper 9 – Legal Advice Note

The Committee considered the draft report.

6.1 The Committee received a briefing on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill from Chris Gittins, Head of Substance Misuse Development, Beverley Morgan, Bill Manager, Bethan Roberts, Legal Services Department and Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer.

Paper 4 – Legal Advice Note

Paper 5 – Draft report

5.1 The Committee considered the draft report and agreed to consider a revised version at its meeting on 14 February 2018.

Venue: Committee Room 5, Tŷ Hywel

Paper 3 – Research Brief

4.1 The Committee received a briefing from Welsh Government officials on the conclusions of the Sheffield Alcohol Research Group's revised modelling for the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services

Tracey Breheny, Deputy Director Substance Misuse Policy, Government & Corporate Business

Bethan Roberts, Legal Services Department

Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer (Health Economics)

2.1 The Committee received evidence from the Cabinet Secretary and his accompanying officials.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received during item 2 of the meeting.

5.2 The Committee discussed the key issues that have arisen during scrutiny of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill ahead of the preparation of its draft report.

3.3a The Committee noted the additional information from Alcohol Concern Cymru.

4.1a The Committee noted the additional information from Chris Snowdon, Institute of Economic Affairs.

4.4a The Committee noted the summary of work undertaken by the National Assembly’s Outreach Team.

4.3a The Committee noted the additional information from Professor Stockwell, University of Victoria.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence given during items 2 and 3 of the meeting.

Lynden Gibbs, Salvation Army

Tim Ruscoe, Public Affairs Officer Wales, Barnardo’s

3.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of the Salvation Army and Barnardo’s.

Dr Richard Piper, Chief Executive, Alcohol Research UK

Andrew Misell, Director, Alcohol Concern Cymru

2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of Alcohol Concern Cymru.

2.2 Andrew Misell and Dr Richard Piper agreed to provide the Committee with the following:

- the number of individuals receiving alcohol support treatment in Wales;

- the age group which is most susceptible to the poly-use of alcohol and drugs.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services

Tracey Breheny, Deputy Director Substance Misuse Policy, Government & Corporate Business

Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer (Health Economics)

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services; Tracey Breheny, Deputy Director Substance Misuse Policy, Government & Corporate Business; and Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer (Health Economics) on the financial implications of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

3.2 The Cabinet Secretary agreed to:

·         provide information on the peer review conducted on the data sources used in the Sheffield University modelling;

·         provide more information on the funding allocated to raise awareness of the minimum unit price;

·         report back to the Committee following the meeting between Welsh Government and Home Office officials, particularly in relation to any impact on the fiscal framework; and

·         report back to the Committee on discussions with the Welsh Retail Consortium regarding a possible voluntary levy.

John Holmes, Senior Research Fellow, Sheffield Alcohol Research Group

Colin Angus, Research Fellow, Sheffield Alcohol Research Group

2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of the Sheffield Alcohol Research Group.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence given during items 2 and 3 of the meeting.

4.4a The Committee noted the letter from Professor Jon Nelson in relation to the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill.

Chris Snowdon, Head of Lifestyle Economics, Institute of Economic Affairs

3.1 The Committee received evidence from a representative of the Institute of Economic Affairs.

3.2 Chris Snowdon agreed to share with the Committee evidence-based studies which relate to the potential unintended consequences resulting from the introduction of minimum unit price for alcohol, and known addiction pathways.

The Committee considered the evidence from Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services.

Vaughan Gething AM, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services

Tracey Breheny, Welsh Government

Bethan Roberts, Welsh Government

Janine Hale, Welsh Government

CLA(5)-28-17 – Paper 1 – Letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services regarding policy intent

CLA(5)-28-17 – Paper 2 –  Welsh Government Written Statement Supreme Court judgment in the matter of Scotch Whisky Association and others v The Lord Advocate and another

CLA(5)-28-17 – Legal Services briefing

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, as introduced (PDF 126KB)

Explanatory Memorandum (2MB)

The Committee received evidence from Vaughan Gething AM, the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services.

5.2a The Committee noted the letter from the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services regarding stage 1 scrutiny.

5.1a The Committee noted the letter from the Committee to the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services regarding stage 1 scrutiny.

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence given during items 2, 3 and 4 of the meeting.

David Riley, Chair of the Wales Heads of Trading Standards, and Head of Public Protection Services in Anglesey

David Jones, National Coordinator, Trading Standards Wales

Simon Wilkinson, Policy officer, Welsh Local Government Association

4.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of the Directors of Public Protection Wales and the Welsh Local Government Association.

4.2 Simon Wilkinson agreed to look into whether there were any alternative/additional ways in which the alcohol control agenda in Wales could be strengthened and provide a note to Committee, if appropriate.

Dr David Bailey, Chair of the BMA Welsh Council

Dr Ruth Alcolado, Royal College of Physicians

Dr Ranjini Rao, Royal College of Psychiatrists

3.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of BMA Cymru Wales, the Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

Dr Kelechi Nnoaham, Executive Director of Public Health, Cwm Taf University Health Board

Fiona Kinghorn, Deputy Director of Public Health, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board

Conrad Eydmann, Head of Partnership Strategy and Commissioning, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board

Dr Julie Bishop, Director of Health Improvement, Public Health Wales NHS Trust

2.1 The Committee received evidence from representatives of Public Health Wales and the health boards’ Directors of Public Health.

2.2 Julie Bishop agreed to provide information on a point in time when the balance between affordability and consumption was at a level that public health professionals were comfortable with.

Paper 12 - Financial scrutiny of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales)

9.1 The Committee considered the financial implications of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill and agreed to invite the Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services in for further scrutiny.

Vaughan Gething, Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Services AM, Member in charge of the Bill

Tracey Breheny, Deputy Director Substance Misuse Policy, Government & Corporate Business

Bethan Roberts, Legal Services Department

Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer (Health Economics)

Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill, as introduced

Explanatory Memorandum

Paper 9 - Financial scrutiny of the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill

5.1 The Committee received a briefing on the Public Health (Minimum Price for Alcohol) (Wales) Bill from Tracy Breheney, Deputy Director Substance Misuse Policy, Beverley Morgan, Bill Manager, Bethan Roberts, Legal Services Department and Janine Hale, Principal Research Officer.