Meetings

NDM6613 – Kirsty Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

Supporting Document

Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill

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In accordance with Standing Order 26.50C a recorded vote must be taken on Stage 4 motions therefore voting on this motion was deferred to voting time.

NDM6613 – Kirsty Williams (Brecon and Radnorshire)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.47:

Approves the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

A vote was taken on the motion:

The motion was agreed.

The amendments will be disposed of in the order that the sections and schedules to which they relate were set out in the motion under Standing Order 26.36 as agreed by the Assembly on 14 November 2017.

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1. Advice and information
1, 4, 5, 28, 6, 7, 8, 9, 14, 15

2. Due regard to United Nations Conventions
26, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 2E, 2F, 2G, 2, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, 3E, 3F, 3, 25

3. Consequential and minor drafting amendments
27, 32, 44, 45, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53,

4. Preparing and maintaining IDPs
54, 56, 57, 58, 61

5. Entitlement to IDPs
29, 30, 31, 13, 33, 34, 35, 47

6. Definition of looked after children
10

7. The Education Tribunal
11, 19, 20, 42, 46, 21

8. Mental health detention
62, 63

9. Charging under Part 2 provisions
36, 37, 59, 41, 60

10. Work based learning
16, 22, 23, 24

11. Higher Education in FEIs
38, 43

12. Local Authority reviews
39, 40

13. Welsh language provision
64, 65, 66

14. Advocacy services
17, 18

15. Young persons lacking capacity
67

Supporting Documents
Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Marshalled List of Amendments
Groupings of Amendments

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In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, the amendments were disposed of in the order in which the sections and schedules to which they relate arise in the Bill.

Amendment 1 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

Amendment 1 was not agreed.

Amendment 26 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 27 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2A was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2B was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2C was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2D was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2E was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2F was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 2G:

Amendment 2G was agreed.

Amendment 2, as amended, was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3A was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3B was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3C was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3D was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3E was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 3F:

Amendment 3F was agreed.

Amendment 3, as amended, was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 4 was not moved.

A vote was taken on amendment 5:

Amendment 5 was not agreed.

Amendment 28 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 54 was withdrawn.

A vote was taken on amendment 6:

Amendment 6 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 7:

Amendment 7 was not agreed.

Amendment 56 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 8:

Amendment 8 was not agreed.

Amendment 29 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 9:

Amendment 9 was not agreed.

Amendment 57 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 10 was withdrawn.

Amendment 58 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 11:

Amendment 11 was not agreed.

Amendment 30 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 31 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 32 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 13:

Amendment 13 was not agreed.

Amendment 33 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 34 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 14:

Amendment 14 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 15:

Amendment 15 was not agreed.

Amendment 35 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 62 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 61 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 36 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 37 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 16:

Amendment 16 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 38:

Amendment 38 was agreed.

Amendment 39 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 40 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 64:

Amendment 64 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 17:

Amendment 17 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 18:

Amendment 18 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 65:

Amendment 65 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 66:

Amendment 66 was not agreed.

Amendment 59 was not moved

Amendment 41 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 60 was not moved.

A vote was taken on amendment 19:

Amendment 19 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 20:

Amendment 20 was not agreed.

Amendment 42 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 67 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 43:

Amendment 43 was agreed.

Amendment 44 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 45 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 46 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on amendment 21:

Amendment 21 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 22:

Amendment 22 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on amendment 23:

Amendment 23 was not agreed.

Amendment 47 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 63 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

As amendment 16 was not agreed, amendment 24 fell.

Amendment 48 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 49 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 50 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 51 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 52 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 53 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 25 was agreed, in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.

NDM6562 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

Sections 2 - 94

Schedule 1

Section 1

Long title

Supporting document
Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill

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NDM6562 Julie James (Swansea West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

Sections 2 - 94

Schedule 1

Section 1

Long title

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Alun Davies AM - Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams – Senior Responsible Officer

Tania Nicholson - Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme

Mair Roberts - Legal Services Department

Catherine Lloyd - Legal Services Department

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings are available on the Bill page.

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 114 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 23 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 115 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 82 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 10 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 11 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 116 (Alun Davies) was not moved.

Amendment 24 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 95 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 96 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 97 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 25 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 98 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 26 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 83 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 27A (Darren Millar) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 27 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 117 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 118 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 119 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 120 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 121 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 122 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 123 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 124 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 125 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 12 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 14 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 15 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 16 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 126 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 127 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 128 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 129 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 130 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 131 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 132 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 133 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 134 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 135 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 136 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 137 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 138 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 139 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 17 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 18 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 41 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 42 (Darren Millar) was not moved.

Amendment 19 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 140A (Llyr Gruffydd) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 140 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 141 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 99 (Llyr Gruffydd) fell.

Amendment 100 (Llyr Gruffydd) fell.

Amendment 84A (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 84 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 101 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 85 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 28 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 29 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 43 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 44 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 152 (Darren Millar) was not moved.

Amendment 102 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 103 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 104 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 142 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 143 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 144 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 86 (Darren Millar) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 145A (Darren Millar)

Amendment 145 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 146 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 147 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 148 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 149 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 150 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 20 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 30 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 45 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 31 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 151 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 32 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

For the purposes of voting, Amendments 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55 and 56 (Alun Davies) were grouped and subject to a single vote, in accordance with Standing Order 17.36. The amendments were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 33 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 34 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 35 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

For the purposes of voting, Amendments 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, and 66 (Alun Davies) were grouped and subject to a single vote, in accordance with Standing Order 17.36. The amendments were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 21 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

For the purposes of voting, Amendments 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 and 74 (Alun Davies) were grouped and subject to a single vote, in accordance with Standing Order 17.36. The amendments were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 36 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 75 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 105 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

2.2 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.

Alun Davies AM - Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams – Senior Responsible Officer

Tania Nicholson - Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme

Mair Roberts - Legal Services Department

Catherine Lloyd - Legal Services Department

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings are available on the Bill page.  

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

Amendment 37 (Darren Millar) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 1 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 2 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 3 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 4 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 76 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 87 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 5 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 77 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 22 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 88 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 6 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 106 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 107 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 108 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 78 (Darren Millar) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 79 (Darren Millar) was not moved.

Amendment 7 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 8 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 9 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 38 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 39 (Darren Millar)

Amendment 40 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 80 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66(i).

Amendment 109 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 81 (Darren Millar) was not moved.

Amendment 110 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 111 (Alun Davies)

Amendment 89 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 90 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 91 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 112 (Alun Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 113 (Alun Davies)

Amendment 92 (Llyr Gruffydd)

Amendment 93 (Llyr Gruffydd) was not moved.

Amendment 94 (Llyr Gruffydd)

NDM6517 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan):

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

'Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill'

Supporting Document
Supplementary report of the Finance Committee

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NDM6517 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan):

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Paper 1 – Draft supplementary report

3.1 The Committee agreed the supplementary report with minor changes.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Alun Davies AM, Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams, Senior Responsible Officer

Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme

Charlie Thomas, Head of Additional Learning Needs (ALN) Transformation

Paper 1 – Letter from the Minster for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language – Revised Regulatory Impact Assessment – 8 September 2017

Revised Regulatory Impact Assessment

External Pier review

4.1 The Committee took evidence from Alun Davies AM, Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language; Emma Williams, Senior Responsible Officer, Welsh Government; Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme, Welsh Government; and Charlie Thomas, Head of Additional Learning Needs (ALN) Transformation, Welsh Government on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

4.2 The Minister agreed to provide a breakdown of the ‘sunk costs’ that were removed from the revised Regulatory Impact Assessment.

Denise Inger, Chief Executive Director

Caroline Rawson, Assistant Director

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Denise Inger, Chief Executive Director, SNAP Cymru and Caroline Rawson, Assistant Director, SNAP Cymru on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

This correspondence gives details of the revised RIA published on 8 September and an update from the Minister on the implementation of the Additional Learning Needs Transformation Programme.

Committee Members agreed changing the order of amendments.

CLA(5)-15-17 –Paper 8 – Letter from the Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language: Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill

The Committee noted the correspondence from the Minister.

NDM6324 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

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NDM6324 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69, arising in consequence of the Bill.

The motion was not moved.

NDM6323 Alun Davies (Blaenau Gwent)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

The Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 12 December 2016.

The report of the Children, Young People and Education Committee on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 24 May 2017.

Supporting Documents
Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Report of the Finance Committee
Report of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee

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NDM6323 Alun Davies (Blaenau Gwent)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

The Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 12 December 2016.

The report of the Children, Young People and Education Committee on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 24 May 2017.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

The Committee considered the draft report. Subject to a few minor amendment the report was agreed. The report would be laid on 24 May.

The Committee considered the draft report. It would be considered again at next week’s meeting.

The Committee considered the key issues. The draft report would be considered at the next meeting.

CLA(5)-12-17 – Paper 7 – Correspondence from the Minister for Lifelong Learning and the Welsh Language, 11 April 2017

The Committee noted the correspondence.

CLA(5)-12-17 – Paper 9 – Draft report

The Committee considered the draft report.

8.1 The Committee noted the responses received by the Children, Young People and Education Committee on how the ‘Supporting learners with healthcare needs’ guidance impacted on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill.

8.2 The Committee agreed to seek further updates from the Committee in due course.

Business Managers noted a revised timetable of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill after agreeing outside of Committee to extend the reporting date for Stage 1 from 12 May to 24 May and the date for completion of Stage 2 from 14 July to 21 July. The Committee also agreed to a request by the Chair of the Children, Young People and Education Committee to hold an additional meeting on the afternoon of Monday 8 May to consider the evidence received during Stage 1, and the draft report. 

The Committee discussed the key issues. The draft report will be considered at a future meeting.

CLA(5)-11-17 – Paper 11 – Draft report

9.1 The Committee considered the draft report.

9.2 The Committee agreed to consider a further draft of the report at its next meeting.

Paper 3 – Draft report

5.1 The Committee agreed the draft report with minor changes.

Alun Davies AM, Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams, Deputy Director, Support for Learners

Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme

Mair Roberts, Lawyer

Catherine Lloyd, Lawyer

The Committee heard evidence from the Minister for Education and Lifelong Learning. The Committee agreed to write to the Minister with additional questions.

Denise Inger, Chief Executive – SNAP Cymru

Cath Lewis, Development Officer - Children in Wales

Debbie Thomas, Policy and Campaign’s Officer - National Deaf Children’s Society

Dr Stephen Beyer, Senior lecturer at Cardiff University

The Committee heard evidence from representatives of TSANA.

Eleri Griffiths, Policy Manager - Mudiad Meithrin

Claire Protheroe, Direct Services Manager (Wales) – PACEY

Jane O’Kane, Professional Head of Health Visiting– All Wales Health Visitor Forum

Jayne Morris, Lead Health Visitor for Children with Disabilities

Andrea Wright, lead manager for Additional Learning Needs – Wales PPA

The Committee heard evidence from Mudiad Meithrin, PACEY, All Wales Health Visitor Forum and Wales Preschool Provider’s Association.

Mudiad Meithrin agreed to provide a note on widening the definition of ALN.

Iestyn Davies, Chief Executive – Colegau Cymru

Joe Baldwin, Director of Learner Services, Bridgend College

Humie Webbe, Equality and Diversity Champion – NTFW

The Committee heard evidence from Colegau Cymru and the National Training Federation Wales.

Colegau Cymru agreed to provide a note on the number of students in FE colleges are identified as having Learning Difficulties and/or Disabilities (LDD) at present.

Alison Davies, Associate Director, Professional Practice - Royal College of Nursing Wales

Lisa Turnbull, Policy and Public Affairs Adviser - Royal College of Nursing Wales

The Committee heard evidence from the Royal College of Nursing.

Dr Karina Dancza, Professional Advisor, Children and Young People, College of Occupational Therapists

Sarah Lewis-Simms, Principal Occupational Therapist for Children, Cwm Taff LHB and a Member of the College of Occupation Therapists 

Kate Fallon, General Secretary – Association of Educational Psychologists

Mary Greening, Nation lead in Wales - Association of Educational Psychologists

Dr Alison Stroud, Head of Wales Office - Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists

Pippa Cotterill, Professional lead for school aged children - Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists

The Committee heard evidence from the College of Occupational Therapists, the Association of Educational Psychologists and the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists.

Dr Dave Williams, Divisional Director Family and Therapy Services, Aneurin Bevan University Health Board

Rosemarie Whittle, Head of Operations and Delivery, Community Child Health Directorate, Cardiff and Vale University Health Board

Ellis Peters, Lead for Paediatric Occupational Therapy, Transition and Learning Disabilities OT Service, Powys Teaching Health Board

The Committee heard evidence from representatives of the NHS Confederation.

Sara Moran, Policy and Public Affairs Manager – Diabetes UK

Dr Justin Warner, RCPCH member in Wales and consultant at UHW

Mandy East, National Coordinator - Anaphylaxis Campaign

Ann Sivapatham, Wales Manager - Epilepsy Action

Under Standing Order 17.24 Darren Millar AM declared he was a Vice President of Epilepsy Action.

The Committee heard evidence from Diabetes UK, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Anaphylaxis Campaign and Epilepsy Action.

Jassa Scott, Assistant Director - Estyn

Huw Davies, HM Inspector – Estyn

The Committee heard evidence from ESTYN.

Mary van den Heuvel, Policy Officer -ATL Cymru

Lisa Edwards, Policy and Communications Officer - UCU Wales

Elaine Edwards, General Secretary - Undeb Cenedlaethol Athrawon Cymru

Gareth Parry, President of the Gwynedd Division of the NUT

Rex Phillips, National Official Wales – NASUWT

The Committee heard evidence from ATL Cymru, UCU Wales, Undeb Cenedlaethol Athrawon Cymru, NUT Cymru and NASUWT.

Rob Williams, Policy Director Cymru – NAHT

Tim Pratt, Director - ASCL Cymru

The Committee heard evidence from NAHT and ASCL.

Rhiannon Walker, SENTW President

The Committee heard evidence from the President of the Special Educational Needs Tribunal for Wales (SENTW).

Meri Huws, Welsh Language Commissioner

Huw Gapper, Senior Officer Policy and Research

The Committee heard evidence from the Welsh Language Commissioner.

Dr Chris Llewelyn, Deputy Chief Executive, Director of Lifelong Learning, Leisure and Information Directorate - WLGA

Catherine Davies, Policy Officer for Children - WLGA

Gareth Morgans, Strategic Education Director from Carmarthenshire County Council - ADEW

The Committee heard evidence from the WLGA and ADEW.

Sally Holland, Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Hywel Dafydd, Policy and Public Affairs Manager

Elizabeth Bowen-Dack, Investigations and Advice Officer

The Committee heard evidence from the Children’s Commissionerfor Wales.

Alun Davies, Minister for Lifelong Learning and the Welsh Language (Member in charge of the Bill)

Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme, Welsh Government

Mair Roberts, Lawyer, Welsh Government

Catherine Lloyd, Lawyer, Welsh Government

CLA(5)-06-17 – Research Service Briefing

CLA(5)-06-17 – Legal Advice Note

CLA(5)-06-17 – Paper 1 – Correspondence from the Minister to the Chair of the Children and Young People Committee, 14 February 2017

Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill, as introduced (PDF, 446KB)

Explanatory Memorandum (PDF, 2.8MB)

Statement of policy intent for subordinate legislation to be made under the Bill (PDF, 440KB)

Draft Additional Learning Needs Code – February 2017 (PDF, 3MB)

2.1 The Committee took evidence from the Minister for Lifelong Learning and the Welsh Language, Alun Davies AM.

6.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

Members will be meeting parents and carers across Wales to discuss the Bill.

Alun Davies AM - Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams - Deputy Director, Support for Learners, Welsh Government

Tania Nicholson - Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme, Welsh Government

3.1 The Committee took evidence from Alun Davies AM, Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language; Emma Williams, Deputy Director, Support for Learners, Welsh Government; and Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme, Welsh Government on the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill (ALNET).

3.2 The Minister agreed:

·         to write to the Committee outlining how the £20 million package of support for Additional Learning Needs, announced on 7 February 2017, will facilitate and support the implementation of the ALNET Bill, including how it will be profiled for local authorities;

·         to report back to the Committee on the implementation of the ALNET Bill at the end of its scrutiny, outlining how it will be monitored; and

·         to write to the Committee if more resources are needed in relation to the statutory role of designated medical or clinical officer (DELCO), following consultation with the Expert Group on Health and pilots.

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

The conference is an opportunity for Committee Members to meet with stakeholders and practitioners to obtain their input and views on working in the delivery of ALN provision.

Paper 11 - Financial Scrutiny of the Additional Learning and Educational Tribunal (Wales) Bill

12.1 The Committee considered the financial implications of the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill and agreed to invite the Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language in for further scrutiny.

Denise Inger, Chief Executive Officer – SNAP Cymru

Debbie Thomas, Policy and Campaigns Officer - National Deaf Children’s Society

Tim Ruscoe, Public Affairs Officer Wales - Barnardo’s Cymru

Zoe Richards, Young Person and Carer’s Manager - Learning Disability Wales

Angie Contestabile, Policy and Campaigns Officer - Sense Cymru

The Committee heard evidence from Members of TSANA.

Welsh Government

Alun Davies AM, Minister for lifelong Learning and Welsh Language

Emma Williams, Deputy Director, Support for Learners

Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme

Mair Roberts, Lawyer

Catherine Lloyd, Lawyer

The Committee heard evidence from the Minister for Lifelong Learning and Welsh Language.

The Minister agreed to:

Provide a timetable for the re-issuing of guidance on meeting the healthcare needs of children and young people in school;

Share information from working groups on the formation of Individual Development Plans (IDP’s). 

The Committee considered and agreed the approach to the Bill.

Emma Williams, Deputy Director Support for Learners Division and Senior Responsible Officer for the Bill

Tania Nicholson, Head of Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme and Bill Manager 

Paul Williams, Additional Learning Needs Legislative Programme Manager

The Committee received a briefing on the Bill.

Business Managers confirmed their in principle decision of 22 November to refer the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill to the Children, Young People and Education Committee for Stage 1 consideration. However, in light of the response from the committee that it would be extremely difficult to effectively scrutinise the Bill in the time allocated by the Government, Business Managers agreed to extend the deadline for Stage 1 consideration by two sitting weeks, from 7 April to 12 May 2017 and to extend the deadline for Stage 2 proceedings from 30 June to 14 July 2017.

Business Managers agreed in principle to refer the Additional Learning Needs and Education Tribunal (Wales) Bill to the Children, Young People and Education Committee (CYPE) for Stage 1 consideration.

Business Managers agreed to defer a decision on the Bill’s timetable until a future meeting to allow for consultation with the CYPE Committee.