Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 5 June 2017

Meeting time: 14.00 - 15.45
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Neil Hamilton AM

Mike Hedges AM

Neil McEvoy AM

Rhianon Passmore AM

Joyce Watson AM (In place of Lee Waters AM)

Wales Audit Office:

Huw Vaughan Thomas – Auditor General for Wales

Claire Flood-Page

Mark Jeffs

Matthew Mortlock

Dave Rees

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Katie Wyatt (Legal Adviser)





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1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the Committee.

1.2        Apologies were received from Lee Waters AM. Joyce Watson AM substituted.




2       Paper(s) to note


2.1 The papers were noted.




2.1   Auditor General for Wales Report: 2015-16 Central Government Accounts



2.2   Natural Resources Wales: Annual Report and Accounts 2015-16 - Additional information from the United Kingdom Forest Products Association (24 May 2017)



2.3   Natural Resources Wales: Additional information from Natural Resources Wales (26 May 2017)



3       Hospital Catering and Patient Nutrition: Welsh Government's response to the Committee's Report


3.1 The Committee considered the response from the Welsh Government and agreed to seek a progress report during the autumn 2017 term.

3.2 The Committee also agreed that clarification should be sought from the Welsh Government on the timescale for the Welsh Government’s intention to work with health boards to examine compulsory training for nutrition.




4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:


4.1 The motion was agreed.




5       Natural Resources Wales: Consideration of the draft report


5.1 The draft report was considered. Members asked for a few drafting changes to be made which will be considered outside of Committee.




6       Forward Work Programme: Auditor General for Wales Value for Money Work Programme


6.1 The Auditor General for Wales presented his paper on work in progress on value for money work which Members noted.




7       Auditor General for Wales Report: 21st Century Schools and Education Programme


7.1 Members received a briefing from the Auditor General for Wales on his recently published report and agreed to undertake an inquiry later in the autumn 2017 term once the Welsh Government has more developed plans available for Band B of the programme.




8       Looked after Children: Consideration of responses to consultation on terms of reference


8.1 Members noted the paper and welcomed the Auditor General for Wales’ offer to produce a Memorandum on the broad picture of this issue. Members were also mindful of the need to liaise with the Children, Young People and Education Committee during the course of this work.