Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Tuesday, 24 November 2015

Meeting time: 09.06 - 11.03
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Assembly Members:

Darren Millar AM (Chair)

Jocelyn Davies AM

Mike Hedges AM

Julie Morgan AM

Jenny Rathbone AM

Aled Roberts AM

Keith Davies AM (In place of Sandy Mewies AM)


Dr Andrew Goodall, Welsh Government

Joanna Jordan, Welsh Government

Martin Sollis, Welsh Government

Janet Davies, Welsh Government

Committee Staff:

Fay Buckle (Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Joanest Varney-Jackson (Legal Adviser)

Dave Thomas (Wales Audit Office)




View the meeting transcript.



1       Introductions, apologies and substitutions

1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

1.2        Apologies were received from Sandy Mewies. Keith Davies substituted.

1.3        Apologies were received from Mohammad Asghar.



2       Papers to note

2.1 The papers were noted.



2.1   Governance Arrangements at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board: Letter from Simon Dean, Interim Chief Executive, Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (16 November 2015)



2.2   Health Finances 2013-14: Letter from Director General Health and Social Services Group/NHS Chief Executive, Welsh Government (16 November 2015)



3       NHS Wales Health Board’s Governance

3.1 The Committee scrutinised Dr Andrew Goodall,  Director General of Health and Social Services/Chief Executive, NHS Wales, Welsh Government, Joanna Jordan, Director of Mental Health, NHS Governance and Corporate Services, Welsh Government, Martin Sollis, Director of Finance, Welsh Government and Janet Davies, Specialist Advisor - Quality & Safety, Welsh Government as part of its inquiry into health board governance.

3.2 Dr Goodall agreed to send further information on:

·         The appointment process for independent health board members

·         What pathways and relationships BCUHB have in place in spirit of the Hub and Spoke Model for renal services

·         Projected financial position for all health boards at the end of the 2015-16 financial years

3.3 During Item 5, when considering the evidence received, Members requested that the escalation status of all health boards is supplied to the Committee.



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

4.1 The motion was agreed.



5       NHS Wales Health Board’s Governance: Consideration of evidence received

5.1 Members discussed the evidence received.