Finance Committee

Y Pwyllgor Cyllid









To consultees on the attached list





 Cardiff Bay


CF99 1NA


29 July 2011

Dear Colleagues,


A call for information – Welsh Government draft budget proposals for 2012-13


The Finance Committee is calling for information to help the committees of the National Assembly for Wales scrutinise the Welsh Government’s 2012-13 draft budget proposals. We want you to let us know what your expectations of the 2012-13 budget are, and whether you have particular concerns about funding allocations in particular areas.

We do not know what the Welsh Government’s 2012-13 draft budget proposals will look like yet, as it won’t be published until 4 October this year. However, we do know it will take place in a time of particular financial pressure for the public sector in Wales, and we have indicative figures provided in the current Welsh Government’s recent supplementary budget.[1]

In this paper we have detailed five specific questions. You can answer any/all of these, or just let us know in general terms about your concerns and expectations of the draft budget.

The Finance Committee looks at the Welsh Government’s budget from a strategic, overarching perspective.  We also work with the other Assembly committees to ensure that proposals for specific Ministerial portfolios are considered in detail.  Committees will each undertake their own focussed evidence sessions with the relevant Ministers in order to examine the areas of the budget that fall within their respective remits, and then report to us, detailing any concerns they have. 

This consultation is being undertaken to inform both the Finance Committee and the other Assembly committees. If the information you provide is specific to a particular area, we will pass that information on to the appropriate committee(s) to use in scrutinising individual Ministers. 

You can find out more information about these committees, along with background information about the Finance Committee, what the Welsh Government draft budget is, and how you can access the Welsh Government’s indicative figures for 2012-13 in annex 1.


Providing information to the Committee


Interested parties are invited to submit written evidence to the Clerk of the Finance Committee at the above address, to arrive by Friday 16 September 2011. If you wish to contribute but are concerned that you won’t be able to meet this deadline, please speak with the Clerk of the Committee on 029 2089 8597.


If possible, please supply an electronic version in MS Word or Rich Text format, by e mail to by Friday 16 September 2011.


Please begin your submission by providing some information about yourself, or your organisation, before setting out your views and experiences in relation to some or all of the following areas.


What we'd like from you: consultation questions

  1. Looking at the indicative budget allocations for 2012-13, do you have any concerns from a strategic, overarching perspective?
  2. Looking at the indicative budget allocations for 2012-13, do you have any concerns about any specific areas?
  3. What expectations do you have of the 2012-13 draft budget proposals? What spending commitments and priorities would you like to see in the 2012-13 draft budget proposals?
  4. The new Welsh Government has not yet published a programme of government.  However, the Welsh Government has emphasised that it is seeking to deliver an outcomes-based approach, with the First Minister declaring that “delivery will be the watchword of the next Welsh Labour government."[2] What- if any- outcomes do you believe the Welsh Government should be trying to achieve with its 2012-13 draft budget?
  5. Can you suggest any elements that should be in the 2012-13 draft budget proposals to support more effective collaborative working?

The Committee has invited submissions from those on the attached distribution list (Annex 2).  However, we would be grateful if you could forward a copy of the letter to any individuals or organisations that are not included but who you think might wish to contribute. A copy of this letter has been placed on the National Assembly’s website with an open invitation to submit views.


Disclosure of Information


Witnesses should be aware that once written evidence has been submitted to the Committee it is treated as the property of the Committee. It is the Committee’s intention to place written papers on its website, and may subsequently be printed with the report. The National Assembly will not publish information which it considers to be personal data.


However, in the event of a request for information submitted under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, it may be necessary to disclose the information that you provide. This may include information which has previously been removed by the National Assembly for publication purposes.


If you are providing any information, other than personal data, which you feel is not suitable for public disclosure, or if you do not wish your identity, as author of the evidence, to be disclosed, this must be clearly identified and it is up to you to stipulate which parts should not be published, and to provide a reasoned argument to support this. The National Assembly will take this into account when publishing information or responding to requests for information.


Further information about the Finance Committee and its call for information can be found at:


Yours sincerely


Jocelyn Davies

Chair, Finance Committee


Annex 1- Background information


Who are we?

The Finance Committee is a cross party committee of the National Assembly for Wales, made up of Members from all four political parties represented at the Assembly. 

The Committee is not part of the Welsh Government.  Rather, the Committee is responsible for reporting on proposals laid before the Assembly by Welsh Ministers relating to the use of resources. 

Who are the other Committees involved in scrutinising the budget?

The other Committees involved in scrutinising the budget are:


What is the Welsh Government’s draft budget?


The draft budget proposals must contain details of the amount of resources the Welsh Government proposes to use in the following financial year and indicative figures for the subsequent two financial years. More specifically it should set out:


·         The use of resources by the Welsh Government, Assembly Commission, Auditor General and Public Services Ombudsman.


·         Income to be retained by those organisations (rather than being surrendered to the Welsh Consolidated Fund).


·         Cash to be withdrawn from the Welsh Consolidated Fund by those organisations.

In recent years, the Welsh Government has also provided a narrative document which further explains detailed allocations to government departments, as well as reserves and other overall allocations.







Why aren’t we doing this consultation after the Welsh Government’s draft budget proposals have been published?

Responding to this consultation will not preclude stakeholders from also providing information, evidence, concerns and suggested areas for scrutiny to National Assembly for Wales Committees after the publication of the Welsh Government’s draft budget proposals (on 4 October).

However, Committees will usually begin scrutinising Government Ministers on the content on the draft budget 1-2 weeks after it has been published, with a view to passing on their findings to the Finance Committee in late October. The Finance Committee is itself required to report on the draft budget by 8 November.

This means that there is usually very limited time (1-2 weeks) for stakeholders to suggest areas of concern to Committees. By doing this consultation now, we hope stakeholders will have more time to consider the potential impact of the budget.

What are the indicative allocations for 2012-13?

Following the Assembly elections in May this year, the new Welsh Government laid a supplementary budget, which the Minister for Finance told us was intended to:

align the 2011-12 budget structures with the changes to the Welsh Government ministerial portfolios announced by the First Minister in May… [and to] enable us to be strategic in the delivery of our programme of government.”[3]

This supplementary budget is available at:


This webpage includes links to the 2011-2012 supplementary budget motion, an explanatory note on the supplementary budget, and the Main Expenditure Group Allocations of the supplementary budget (which include indicative allocations for 2012-13).











Annex 2


List of consultees


Abertawe Bro Morgannwg University Health Board

Action for Children


Age Cymru

All Wales Ethnic Minority Association

Aneurin Bevan Health Board

Anti Poverty Network Cyrmu

Arts Council of Wales

Asian Women's Group

Association of Directors for Social Services Cymru

ATL Cymru

Bangladeshi Welfare Association

Barnardos Cymru

Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board

Bevan Foundation

Big Lottery Fund - Wales

Black Association of Women Stepping Out

Black Environment Network

Black Voluntary Sector Network Wales

Board of Community Health Councils in Wales

British Association of Social Workers Cymru

British Dental Association

British Medical Association

British Orthodontic Society

British Red Cross

Business in Focus


Capital Region Tourism

Carbon Trust Wales

Cardiff & Vale University Health Board

Careers Wales

Carers Wales

CBI Wales

Chartered Institute of Management Accountants

Children in Wales

Children’s Commissioner for Wales

Chwarae Teg

Citizens Advice Bureau - Cymru

Clybiau Plant Cymru Kids Clubs

College of Occupational Therapists

Community Pharmacy Wales

Confederation of Passenger Transport

Construction Skills

Consumer Focus Wales

Contact a Family Wales

Country Land and Business Association (CLA)

Countryside Council for Wales (CCW)

Crossroads Care Wales



Cwm Taf Health Board

Cymorth Cymru

Cymru Yfory

Deaf Association Wales

Disability Wales

Disabled Children Matter

DTA Wales

Energy Saving Trust Wales

Environment Agency Wales

Equality & Human Rights Commission in Wales


European Commission

Farmers’ Union of Wales (FUW)

Forestry Commission Wales

Freight Transport Association

FSB Cymru

Funky Dragon

General Dental Council

General Medical Council

GMB Union

Governors Wales




Higher Education Wales

Hywel Dda Health Board

Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants

MEWN Cymru

Money Advice Service

Mother's Union in Wales



National Farmers’ Union Cymru (NFU)

National Offender Management Service

National Parks

Neonatal Nurses Association

Network Rail

North Wales Race Equality Network


NUS Wales

NUT Cymru

Older People’s Commissioner for Wales

Pakistan Association of Newport & Gwent Welsh Asian Council

Passenger Focus Wales

Play Wales

Powys Teaching Health Board

Public Health Wales NHS Trust

Race Equality First

Refugee Voice Wales


Royal British Legion

Royal College of General Practitioners

Royal College of Midwives

Royal College of Nursing



Save the Children Cymru



The National Autism Society Cymru

The Prince's Trust - Cymru

Tros Gynnal





Unite Union

Velindre NHS Trust

Voice Cymru

Voices from Care

Wales Environment Link


Welsh Ambulance Services NHS Trust

Welsh Women’s Aid




[2] BBC Wales, Ed Miliband urges Welsh Labour to vote against ‘dogma,’ 19 February 2011, available at

[3] RoP, National Assembly for Wales, Finance Committee, 28 June 2011, Para 5-6