Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Conferencing via Zoom

Meeting date: Monday, 21 September 2020

Meeting time: 09.51 - 11.57
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:





Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay MS (Chair)

Gareth Bennett MS

Angela Burns MS

Delyth Jewell MS

Rhianon Passmore MS

Jenny Rathbone MS


Manon Antoniazzi, Chief Executive & Clerk of the Senedd

Suzy Davies MS, Commissioner

Nia Morgan, Director of Finance

Audit Wales:

Adrian Crompton – Auditor General for Wales

Matthew Mortlock

Ann-Marie Harkin

Ian Hughes

Nick Raynor

Nick Selwyn

Mike Usher

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Tom Lewis-White (Second Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Martin Jennings (Researcher)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

1.2        Apologies were received from Vikki Howells MS.



2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The papers were noted.

2.2 The Chair agreed to write to the Welsh Government seeking additional information on the management of follow-up of outpatients and on the Primary Care Out-of-Hours Service.



2a     Medicines Management: Letter from the Welsh Government (28 August 2020)



2b     Management of follow up outpatients across Wales: Letter from the Welsh Government (28 August 2020)



2c     Radiology services - national summary report: Letter from the Welsh Government (28 August 2020)



2d     Primary care out-of-hours services:  Letter from the Welsh Government (28 August 2020)



3       Scrutiny of Accounts 2019-20: Senedd Commission

3.1 The Members questioned the witnesses as part of the Committee’s Scrutiny of Accounts.

3.2 Manon Antoniazzi, Chief Executive and Clerk of the Senedd, agreed to provide some additional information/clarity on a number of points raised.



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

4.1 The motion was agreed.



5       Scrutiny of Accounts 2019-20: Consideration of evidence received

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.



6       Forward Work Programme

6.1 The Committee noted the Forward Work Programme.



7       Rough Sleeping in Wales – Everyone’s Problem; No One’s Responsibility: Audit Wales Report

7.1 The Committee considered the report and agreed that the Chair should write to the Equalities, Local Government and Communities Committee to ask them to consider the policy aspects and that the review of the Strategic Partnerships will be considered as part of the forthcoming inquiry into the  Well-being and Future Generations (Wales) Act 2015.



8       Counter Fraud in Wales: Audit Wales Report

8.1 The Committee noted the report and agreed to question the Welsh Government, later in the term, as part of the scrutiny of their Annual Report and Accounts 2019-20.



9       Asbestos Removal Programme at Ysbyty Glan Clwyd: Audit Wales Report

9.1 The Committee considered the report and agreed to question the Welsh Government during the session, later in the term, on NHS Finances. The Chair also agreed to take evidence from Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board.





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