Concise Minutes - Children, Young People and Education Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 1 - Senedd

Meeting date: Wednesday, 12 June 2019

Meeting time: 09.25 - 12.31
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Assembly Members:

Lynne Neagle AM (Chair)

Dawn Bowden AM

Hefin David AM

Suzy Davies AM

Janet Finch-Saunders AM

Siân Gwenllian AM

Vikki Howells AM (In place of Jack Sargeant AM)


Julie James AM, Minister for Housing and Local Government

Karen Cornish, Welsh Government

Emma Gammon, Welsh Government

Committee Staff:

Llinos Madeley (Clerk)

Gareth Rogers (Second Clerk)

Sarah Bartlett (Deputy Clerk)

Michael Dauncey (Researcher)

Sian Hughes (Researcher)

Sian Thomas (Researcher)

Lisa Salkeld (Legal Adviser)

Samiwel Davies (Legal Adviser)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members. Apologies were received from Jack Sargeant AM, Vikki Howells AM substituted.



2       Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - evidence session 12

2.1 The Committee scrutinised the Deputy Minister.

2.2 The Deputy Minister agreed to provide a note on the following:



3       Papers to note

3.1 The papers were noted.

3.2 In relation to paper to note 1, Suzy Davies AM wished to note the difficulty disaggregating cases of reasonable punishment as isolated incidences from cases



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix)  to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of the meeting.

4.1 The Motion was agreed.



5       Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill - consideration of the evidence

5.1 The Committee considered the evidence heard during the session.



6       Inquiry into School Funding -  Consideration of the draft report

6.1 The Committee considered the draft report. The draft report would be considered again at the meeting on 26 June.



7       Consideration of the Committee's Forward Work Programme

7.1 The Committee considered the forward work programme. Members agreed the following for the Autumn term:

·         A scrutiny session with the Minister for Education on the new curriculum as part of its ongoing scrutiny of curriculum reform;

·         A one-off session on early years childcare and education, to include follow up on Flying Start: outreach and matters arising during scrutiny of the Childcare Funding Bill;

·         A short  inquiry into Children’s Rights in Wales;

·         Draft Budget Scrutiny;

·         An inquiry into Education other than at school and Pupil Referral Units;

·         A one-off session on school improvement and raising standards; and

·         Ongoing follow-up work on existing commitments and scrutiny of annual reports.

7.2 The Committee noted the information available about the legislative programme, including the anticipated need to complete Stage 2 proceedings on the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Bill should it progress beyond Stage 1. 







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