Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 15 October 2018

Meeting time: 13.21 - 16.36
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Neil Hamilton AM

Rhianon Passmore AM

Adam Price AM

Jenny Rathbone AM


Shan Morgan, Welsh Government

Gawain Evans, Welsh Government

Peter Kennedy, Welsh Government

David Richards, Welsh Government

Peter Ryland, WEFO

Wales Audit Office:

Adrian Crompton – Auditor General for Wales

Matthew Mortlock

Richard Harries

Mark Jeffs

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Meriel Singleton (Second Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Owen Holzinger (Researcher)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

1.2        Apologies were received from Jack Sargeant AM.

1.3              Adam Price AM declared an interest as the Commissioner for official languages, and delivery and transformation of services to Members.



2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The papers were noted.



2.1   Implementation of the NHS Finance (Wales) Act 2014: Letter from Chair of ABMUHB (3 October 2018)



2.2   Governance and oversight of arms-length bodies: Update from Permanent Secretary (25 September 2018)



3       Scrutiny of Accounts 2017-18: Welsh Government

3.1 Members scrutinised Shan Morgan, Permanent Secretary, Gawain Evans, Director of Finance, David Richards, Director of Governance, Peter Kennedy, HR Director from the Welsh Government and Peter Ryland, Deputy Director of the Welsh European Funding Office on the Welsh Government’s Consolidated Accounts for 2017-18.

3.2 Shan Morgan agreed to take legal advice on whether she can disclose further information on head lease agreements between the Welsh Government and sub-lessees who will be tenants in possession.

3.2 Peter Ryland agreed to check with rural affairs colleagues whether, for examples, vegetables and fruits have been planted, as part of the Leader Project, to adapt to any emergencies at ports that could impact on perishable goods being imported.



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

4.1 The motion was agreed.



5       Scrutiny of Accounts 2017-18: Consideration of evidence received

5.1 The evidence was considered.



6       NHS Wales Informatics Services: Consideration of draft report

6.1 Members considered and agreed the draft report subject to a few minor amendments.



7       Forward Work Programme

7.1 Members noted the forward work programme.