Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - The Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 18 June 2018

Meeting time: 14.01 - 16.41
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Vikki Howells AM

Andrew RT Davies AM (In place of Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM)

Bethan Sayed AM (In place of Adam Price AM)


Chris Jones, Care and Repair

Jim McKirdle, Welsh Local Government Association

Ruth Nortey, Disability Wales

Julian Pike, Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council

Stuart Ropke, Community Housing Cymru

Rhian Stangroom-Teel, Leonard Cheshire Disability

Gaynor Toft, Ceredigion County Council

Alicja Zalesinska, Tai Pawb

Wales Audit Office:

Matthew Mortlock

Nick Selwyn

Mike Usher

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to the Committee.

1.2        Apologies were received from Mohammad Asghar AM, Neil Hamilton AM, Rhianon Passmore AM and Adam Price AM. Andrew RT Davies AM and Bethan Sayed AM were present as substitutes.



2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The papers were noted.



2.1   NHS Waiting Times for Elective Care in Wales and Orthopaedic Services: Letter from the Welsh Government (6 June 2018)



2.2   NHS Wales Informatics Services: Letter from the Welsh Government (7 June 2018)



2.3   NHS Wales Informatics Services: Letter from the Auditor General for Wales (8 June 2018)



2.4   The Welsh Government’s relationship with Pinewood: Auditor General for Wales' Report (12 June 2018)



3       Housing Adaptations: Evidence Session 1

3.1 Members received evidence from Jim McKirdle, WLGA Housing Officer, Gaynor Toft, Community Wellbeing Manager, Ceredigion County Council, and Julian Pike, Housing & Community Safety Manager, Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council as part of its inquiry into housing adaptations.



4       Housing Adaptations: Evidence Session 2

4.1 Members received evidence from Stuart Ropke, Chief Executive, Community Housing Cymru and Chris Jones, Chief Executive, Care & Repair as part of its inquiry into housing adaptations.



5       Housing Adaptations: Evidence Session 3

5.1 Members received evidence from Alicja Zalesinska, Director, Tai Pawb, Ruth Nortey, Policy & Research Officer, Disability Wales, and Rhian Stangroom-Teel, Policy and Public Affairs Manager (Wales), Leonard Cheshire Disability as part of its inquiry into housing adaptations.



6       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

6.1 The motion was agreed.



7       Housing Adaptations: Consideration of evidence received

7.1 Members considered the evidence received.