Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 2 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 26 February 2018

Meeting time: 15.05 - 16.58
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Vikki Howells AM

Rhianon Passmore AM

Lee Waters AM


Naomi Alleyne, Welsh Local Government Association

Huw David, Welsh Local Government Association

Geraint Hopkins, Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough Council

Wales Audit Office:

Anthony Barrett – Assistant Auditor General for Wales

Matthew Mortlock

Dave Thomas

Committee Staff:

Meriel Singleton (Second Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Sian Thomas (Researcher)



1       Medicines Management: Consideration of draft Report

1.1 Members considered the draft report and due to time constraints agreed to return to it at next week’s meeting.



2       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

2.1 The Chair welcomed the Members to the meeting.

2.2 Apologies were received from Neil Hamilton AM and Adam Price AM.



3       Paper(s) to note

3.1 The papers were noted.

3.2 Specifically on the papers to note, it was agreed to:

·         Hold an evidence session with the Welsh Government on the review of the Intra-Wales Cardiff to Anglesey air service;

·         Write to the Director for Economy, Skills and Natural Resources seeking further clarification on the relationship the Welsh Government has with the UK Government Digital Service; and

·         Write to the Chairs of the Children, Young People and Education and Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committees regarding the coding elements of the Hwb programme.



3.1   Intra-Wales - Cardiff to Anglesey - Air Service: Correspondence from the Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Transport (30 January 2018)



3.2   Cardiff Airport: Correspondence from the Welsh Government (2 February 2018)



3.3   Introductory Session: Correspondence from the Welsh Government (31 January 2018)



3.4   The Welsh Government’s Supporting People Programme: Correspondence from the Welsh Government (8 February 2018)



3.5   Committee working practices and procedures: Correspondence between the Committee and the Welsh Government



4       Care experienced children and young people: Evidence session 6

4.1 Members received evidence from Cllr Huw David, WLGA Spokesperson for Health and Social Services (and Leader of Bridgend County Borough Council); Cllr Geraint Hopkins, WLGA Deputy Spokesperson for Health and Social Services (and Cabinet Member in Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough Council); and Naomi Alleyne, Director of Social Services and Housing, WLGA as part of their inquiry into care experienced children and young people.

4.2 The witnesses agreed to send additional information on a number of points to assist the Committee with their inquiry.



5       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

5.1 The motion was amended to include Item 1 of the meeting on 5 March 2018 and was agreed.



6       Care experienced children and young people: Consideration of evidence received

6.1 Members considered the evidence received.