Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 10 July 2017

Meeting time: 04.00 - 16.18
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Neil Hamilton AM

Vikki Howells AM

Neil McEvoy AM

Rhianon Passmore AM


Dr Andrew Goodall, Welsh Government

Alan Brace, Welsh Government

Wales Audit Office:

Huw Vaughan Thomas – Auditor General for Wales

Matthew Mortlock

Mike Usher

Committee Staff:

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Jonathan Baxter (Researcher)

Katie Wyatt (Legal Adviser)





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1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest


1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to Committee.

1.2        Apologies were received from Lee Waters AM. There was no substitute.




2       Paper(s) to note


2.1 The papers were noted.

2.2 Governance Arrangements at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB): Auditor General for Wales' Report - An Overview of Governance Arrangements (29 June 2017). The Committee agreed to write to the Chair of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee requesting that they scrutinise the Cabinet Secretary for Health, Well-being and Sport and the Minister for Social Services and Public Health on this issue, during their regular ministerial scrutiny sessions.




2.1   Notification of Additional Accounting Officer at HMRC (13 June 2017)



2.2   Governance Arrangements at Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board: Auditor General for Wales' Report - An Overview of Governance Arrangements (29 June 2017)



2.3   The Welsh Government’s Funding of Kancoat Ltd: Letter from the First Minister (28 June 2017)



2.4   Natural Resources Wales: Response to the Committees' report



3       Implementation of the NHS Finance (Wales) Act 2014: Evidence session


3.1 The Committee took evidence from Dr Andrew Goodall, Director General/NHS Chief Executive and Alan Brace, Director of Finance, Welsh Government as part of their inquiry into the Implementation of the NHS Finance (Wales) Act 2014.


3.2 Dr Goodall agreed to send further details of the changes in performance indicators that have occurred in the Welsh Ambulance Service Trust.




4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:


4.1 The motion was agreed.




5       Implementation of the NHS Finance (Wales) Act 2014: Consideration of evidence received


5.1 Members considered the evidence received and agreed to publish a short report.




6       Forward Work Programme: Consideration of autumn 2017 work programme


6.1 Members discussed the forward work programme and noted its contents.

6.2 Members considered and subject to a couple of minor amendments, agreed the draft letter on the Circuit of Wales.




7       Inquiry into Regulatory oversight of Housing Associations: Consideration of the draft report


7.1 Members considered the draft report and suggested a number of amendments. The Clerks will circulate a revised version showing the changes, by email.