Health and Social Care Committee

 

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

 

 

 

Meeting date:

Wednesday, 11 December 2013

 

 

 

Meeting time:

09:26 - 11:42

 

 

 

This meeting can be viewed on Senedd TV at:
http://www.senedd.tv/archiveplayer.jsf?v=en_400000_11_12_2013&t=0&l=en

 

 

Concise Minutes:

 

 

 

Assembly Members:

 

David Rees (Chair)

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn R Price

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

 

 

 

 

 

Witnesses:

 

Gwenda Thomas, Deputy Minister for Social Services

Julie Rogers, Welsh Government

Mike Lubienski, Welsh Government

 

 

 

 

 

Committee Staff:

 

Llinos Madeley (Clerk)

Helen Finlayson (Second Clerk)

Sarah Sargent (Deputy Clerk)

Joanest Jackson (Legal Advisor)

Lisa Salkeld (Legal Advisor)

 

 

 

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Transcript

View the meeting transcript.

 

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1    Introductions, apologies and substitutions

 

1.1 No apologies were received.

 

1.2 The Chair welcomed the Deputy Minister for Social Services and her officials to the meeting.

 

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2    Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of amendments

 

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

New section:

 

Amendment 155 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New section:

 

Amendment 156 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New section:

 

Amendment 157 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

New section:

 

Amendment 395 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 162:

 

Amendment 216 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 217 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 218 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 396 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 163:

 

Amendment 158 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 159 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 160 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 161 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 162 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 163 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 164 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 165 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 166 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 167 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 168 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 164:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 164 was deemed agreed.

 

New section:

 

Amendment 81 (William Graham) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing Order 26.66.

 

Section 165:

 

Amendment 169 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 170 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 171 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 172 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 173 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 174 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 175 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 176 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 177 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 61 (Kirsty Williams) As Amendment 60 was not moved, Amendment 61 fell.

 

Amendment 275 (William Graham) As Amendment 254 was not agreed, Amendment 275 fell.

 

Amendment 276 (William Graham) As Amendment 255 was not agreed, Amendment 276 fell.

 

Amendment 82 (William Graham) As Amendment 111 was not agreed, Amendment 82 fell.

 

Amendment 178 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 62 (Kirsty Williams) As Amendment 60 was not moved, Amendment 62 fell.

 

Section 166:

 

Amendment 183 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 183 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 530 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 219 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 220 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 221 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 397 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 398 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 222 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 223 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 399 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 224 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 400 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 401 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 225 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 83 (William Graham) was not moved.

 

Amendment 498 (Lindsay Whittle)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 498 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 179 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 531 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 228 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 229 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 467 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 55 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 402 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 230 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 403 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 167:

 

Amendment 404 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Section 168:

 

Amendment 58 (Kirsty Williams) As Amendment 60 was not moved, Amendment 58 fell.

 

Amendment 59 (Kirsty Williams) As Amendment 60 was not moved, Amendment 59 fell.

 

Amendment 184 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 184 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 185 (William Graham)

For

Against

Abstain

William Graham

Elin Jones

Darren Millar

Lindsay Whittle

Kirsty Williams

Leighton Andrews

Rebecca Evans

Lynne Neagle

Gwyn Price

David Rees

 

5

5

0

As there was a tied vote, the Chair’s casting vote was applied in the negative, in accordance with Standing Order 6.20(ii). Therefore, Amendment 185 was not agreed.

 

Section 169:

No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore Section 169 was deemed agreed.

 

Section 1:

 

Amendment 416 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 500 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 1 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 277 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 278 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 279 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 280 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 281 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 282 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 283 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 284 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 285 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 286 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 287 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 501 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 2 (Gwenda Thomas) As Amendment 52 was not agreed, Amendment 2 fell.

 

Amendment 3 (Gwenda Thomas) As Amendment 52 was not agreed, Amendment 3 fell.

 

Amendment 186 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 187 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 128 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 288 (Gwenda Thomas) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

2.2 The Deputy Minister committed to write to the Committee in relation to ordinary residence, specifically establishing ordinary residence of British citizens who have been living abroad prior to returning to the UK, and for individuals who have been living in multiple different types of accommodation.

 

2.3 Sections 162 to 169 and section 1 were deemed to be agreed.

 

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3    Papers to note

 

3.1 The Committee noted the minutes of the meetings of 21 and 27 November 2013.

 

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3.1  Letter from the Chair of Hywel Dda Health Board dated 5 December 2013

 

3a.1 The Committee noted the letter.

 

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3.2  Letter from the Minister for Health and Social Services and the Deputy Minister for Social Services - response to the Committee's letter on the Welsh Government's Draft Budget 2014/15

 

3b.1 The Committee noted the letter.

 

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3.3  Letter from the Deputy Minister for Social Services - Social Services and Well-being (Wales) Bill and children's social care

 

3c.1 The Committee noted the letter.

 

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3.4  The Committee's forward work programme: January - April 2014

 

3d.1 The Committee noted the forward work programme for the 2014 spring term.

 

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4    Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (vi) to resolve to exclude the public for items 5 and 6 of today's meeting and from the meeting on 16 January 2014

 

4.1 The motion was agreed.

 

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5    Unscheduled care - preparedness for winter 2013/14 - Consideration of draft letter to the Minister for Health and Social Services and the Deputy Minister for Social Services

 

5.1 The Committee considered and agreed a draft letter to the Minister for Health and Social Services and the Deputy Minister for Social Services on the unscheduled care – preparedness for winter 2013/14 inquiry.

 

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6    Stroke risk reduction - follow-up inquiry - Consideration of draft letter to the Minister for Health and Social Services

 

6.1 The Committee considered and agreed a draft letter to the Minister for Health and Social Services on the stroke risk reduction follow-up inquiry.

 

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