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(1.2 Dr Ally welcomed the paper on the RRAB. He felt it was important to \
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(enforceable. The planned conference on the Act, which was now likely to \
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(1.3 Members queried how these new duties would dovetail with the current\
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(1.4 The Chair had received a letter from the Disability Rights Commissio\
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(1.5 Members commented that the buildings used were mostly local authorit\
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