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(Item 1: Chair\222s opening remarks. )Tj
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(The Chair welcomed members and visitors to the meeting which was the fir\
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(Declarations of interest were made by Christine Gwyther and Dafydd Wigle\
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(Some concern was expressed about the absence of the Minister for Economi\
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(Item 2.: Wales Tourist Board \226 Corporate Plan )Tj
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(Philip Evans introduced the discussion highlighting the events that in t\
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(He said that the overall downturn in tourism income was in the order of \
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(stance taken by the WTB this would have been a lot worse. He identified \
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(He confirmed that the Regional Tourist Partnerships were in place and th\
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(He said that the WTB was not confident that it could achieve the 10% of \
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(In discussion members thanked the WTB for their continued hard work in w\
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(had been a difficult year. They were pleased to see them working closely\
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(Whilst members welcomed the success of the Ryder Cup bid, some expressed\
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(The WTB confirmed that their Destination Management System, which would \
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(The Deputy Minister highlighted the recent changes in both activities an\
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(Hywel Evans introduced the discussion outlining the issues Menter a Busn\
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(He added that Menter a Busnes\222 experience has been valuable but there\
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(In discussion members said that the key issue was to make bilingualism e\
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(Some members felt that a great opportunity existed in Wales to develop )Tj
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(He identified the potential of the language to tourism and said that the\
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(Several members voiced concerns that intervention in the economic sector\
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(Hywel Evans outlined the three proposals they had suggested in their sub\
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(In summing up the discussion the Chair referred to the need to make a )Tj
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(Item 4: The film industry in Wales )Tj
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(Berwyn Rowlands introduced the item by outlining Sgrin\222s work and sai\
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(Hugh Edwin Jones said that the work of film commissioners provided a bri\
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(Members questioned Sgrin\222s losses for last year and Berwyn Rowlands c\
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(On the subject of Objective 1 funding he said that they were currently w\
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(Several members questioned how film companies could be attracted to Nort\
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