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(1.2 The Chair said she was pleased to be back and thanked Brian Gibbons \
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(It was agreed that it was important not to generalise about call centres\
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(It was noted that the Committee had already written to the WDA on call c\
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(Christine Chapman said that Rhodri Morgan would provide a full written r\
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(On item 21, it was noted that Phil Williams AM had written to the Assemb\
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(In terms of process, the Finance Secretary had made a statement to Plena\
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(Subject to the Committee\222s comments, the review would be formally com\
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(The Committee was becoming extremely anxious about the speed with which \
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(There was concern about the proposed restriction on fast-track projects \
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(The Committee was concerned about gap funding \(especially in the contex\
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(More information was also requested on WEFO\222s proposals with regard t\
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(Further information would be provided on lead bodies. )Tj
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ing Committee )Tj
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(within three months of the Single Programming Document being approved by\
the European )Tj
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(Commission. It was intended that a provisional Programme Complement shou\
ld in fact be )Tj
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(ready to be endorsed by the Monitoring Committee during July \(this woul\
d allow fast-track )Tj
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(projects to be approved\). The Commission were sent a copy of the Comple\
ment for )Tj
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(information but their approval was not required. Due to time constraints\
, the Chair requested )Tj
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(that all comments and questions on points of detail should be e-mailed t\
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(The following points were made in discussion: )Tj
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(Concern was expressed that all sectors should be included in the Complem\
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(if they were not included then their projects could not be considered. I\
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(that the Monitoring Committee had authority to amend the Complement at a\
ny time so )Tj
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(changes would be possible to deal with any significant problems that aro\
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(Members requested assurances that sectors such as tourism and arts and c\
ulture would )Tj
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(sectors, such as the Wales Tourist Board and the Arts Council had repres\
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(the Working Group and they would have the opportunity to contribute to t\
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(It was suggested that WEFO set up a chatline aimed at those who might ot\
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(It was confirmed that the aims and objectives of the measures had not be\
en changed )Tj
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ramming )Tj
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(Document, which had been sent to the Commission, was available on the in\
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(However the Programme Complement would be far more detailed than in the \
SPD in )Tj
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(It was the role of the Monitoring Committee to allocate funding to measu\
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(also allocate funding to packages. No action plan had a monopoly of a pa\
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(measure, though there may have been some aspirations in this direction. \
The )Tj
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(The Economic Development Committee could not alter the focus of activity\
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(Financial tables would be included in the provisional Programme Compleme\
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(Although targets had to be set out in the Programme Complement, each pro\
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(Spatial targeting relating to communities in Priority 3 needed to be inc\
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(up to the Monitoring Committee to make the final decision, but the Index\
of Deprivation )Tj
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(Data could be used to help devise the targets which would be used to mon\
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(It was suggested that clustering around established indigenous businesse\
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(More work was needed on the measures for encouraging ICT.)Tj
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(It was agreed that Measure 7 needed more detail to reflect the areas in \
which technical )Tj
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equality or )Tj
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(It was agreed to make the Index of Deprivation Data available and also t\
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(4.6 Chair\222s Summary )Tj
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(The Committee recognised that the document was in its early stages but w\
as )Tj
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widespread )Tj
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(It was important that organisations and areas of activity that were not \
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(The Committee was reassured to learn that the Monitoring Committee would\
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(There was a need to look further at technical assistance.)Tj
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(The Committee would like to see more detailed proposals on who should le\
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(Item 5: Budget priorities)Tj
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(5.1 Introducing the paper, the Chair explained that members would be giv\
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(Committee meeting on 6 July. She invited comments on whether members fel\
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(5.2 Some members drew attention to the benefits economic prosperity woul\
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(5.3 Phil Williams distributed copies of the paper which he had sent to t\
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(5.4 The Chair concluded that she was aware that there were some areas of\
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(6.1 The Chair invited Alun Cairns to introduce this item because paper E\
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(6.2 Alun Cairns drew attention to the forthcoming National Audit Office \
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(He was concerned about the valuation of the land at Ferry Road. EDC-09-0\
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(It was agreed that the \2432 million discount had not been shown in any \
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(Alun Cairns then drew attention to paragraph 3 EDC-09-00 \(p14\) which r\
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(Ron Davies presented further points to officials on the history of when \
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(It was confirmed that the earlier papers on Cardiff Bay had not mentione\
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(In late 1998/early 1999 the issue of a valuation of the Ferry Road site \
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(Following receipt of professional advice, officials began the process of\
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(CBDC had not been as enthusiastic about the idea of a sports village as \
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(Such a sizeable discount should have been drawn to the Committee\222s at\
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(Although committee papers were amended in draft form, to the best of Ste\
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